Ultimate production fixed blade

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Macbeth

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Which is the ultimate production fixed blade in the market? By ultimate i mean toughness can stand up to abuse, stand up to the element like saltwater and need little or no mantainece.
 
I'd have to say any coated Busse :D, but it is a well known fact that I am a Busse Nut :D Jerry to make some good stuff :)
 
I know you can get a wide selection of swamp rat knives on its website but on busse websit there is only two? And most of the model that you guys talk about isn't there. Where do you guys bet them anyway and where on the net can you guys get the list of all busse knives and its specs and where you can you buy them online. One more thing in busse website they say that their blade a diffrentially tampered. Correct me if i am wrong if i am not mistaken only carbon steel can be differentially tampered, stainless steel cannot be differentially tampered. So does it mean the busse is carbon steel not stainless if so how can it stand up to the element from my experience saltwater can even make stainless steel rust for not steel is stainless.
 
Hello Macbeth,
Currently the only knives Busse is producing are the 2 on their website. They will be introducing more for sale in the upcoming months. If you are interested in some of the ones that have been discontinued, (ergo series) check www.shomertec.com Or you can also check right here on the for sale forums as there are often several different discontinued models for sale.

Busses are not differentially tempered. INFI is a carbon steel although it is amazingly stain resistant as well.

Swamp Rat knives are differentially tempered.

If you want to see a good idea of what Busse has produced in the past check www.badmojo.tv He does not sell knives but he has a nice collection of pics.

I hope this helps

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Ok my mistake on the differentially tempered issue must have got mix up here. Got a few question here. I know that Busse and Swamp rat are tough but since they are corbon steel not stainless so how rust resistent they are? Compared to stainless steel that is. Have experience with carbon steel it rust very very easily where i use my knife. My knife get expose to saltwater enviorment a lot. And what kind of grind are busse and swamp rat? Flat or convex?
 
Macbeth said:
so how rust resistent they are? Compared to stainless steel that is.
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Busses have rust resistance similar to ATS34. Although they are a carbon steel they have good stain/rust resistance.

Swamp Rat will not perform as well(regarding rust resistance) in a saltwater enviroment as INFI. However, having said this both steels can handle more abuse than any stainless steel on the market.
 
That is an unanswerable question. The reason is that what is the "ultimate" tool depends on the job. There are many knives that will do nearly any particular job.
 
To continue in the same vein as Fudo...

Mabeth, can you tell us what you want to do with this ultimate knife? Be very specific as to your intended use and environment, and you'll get much better suggestions as to what type of knife would work best.
 
Well need a camp/utility that can stand up to the elements. Need to be strong enought for choping chores, mainly choping wood for shelter and fire and strong enough to pry with when i need to (I know i should not use a knife for prying but who knows when the need arise). And need to be albe to stand saltwater enviorment and tropical climate coz i am living in a tropical climate area and near the sea as well. Basicly need a strong fixed blade that can stand up tp the elements.
 
Sounds like you need a good fixed blade (Swamp rat, 100$ or so), a camp hatchet (20$ ? for a decent one) and a prybar (6$, home depot).

Use the right tool for the job and it will work much better, regardless of the quality. A super-good knife will chop very thick wood as good as a decent hatchet, so if you're going to be chopping down trees and things such as this, I'd recommend a hatchet. At least, that's how it sounds to me, apologies if I misunderstood.
 
As a starter, try a BK&T BK-9. It's a good knife, it's not terribly expensive, and will help you refine your needs.
 
For me a Strider is king of the fixed blades. Mine is the older ATS 34 steel, but still great knives. The S30V must be incredible.

Chris Reeves makes some pretty tough ones also. I don't own a Busse, but I understand they are really nice.
 
Dear ivan_yulaev,
I do agree with you no one tool can do everything and if a tool can do too many task it is good at nothing. But the fact remain that i will not want to carry too many stuff. I am not going to be cutting down trees just some small branch for shelter and firewood and perhaps some clearing task. For prying not that i am going to do that but need to know its a strong enough for that and if the need ever arise who knows?
I know a cheap saw, axe, small fixed blade and a multitool will do better and one knife (as for prying i cannot see the need to pry in the wild what are you going to pry anyway? The only thing i can think of is cans and that is what can openers are for.) I am looking a big fixed blade and a small fixed blade for my needs. And as for the multitool i carry my LM Supertool everyday everywhere.
Presently i am considering the SOG Tigershark and Revolver. The Tigershark seem to be a strong enough for a chopper and the Revolver has a saw. Since both are from the seal series so i think they will stand up to saltwater enviroment.
 
Macbeth said:
Dear ivan_yulaev,
I do agree with you no one tool can do everything and if a tool can do too many task it is good at nothing. But the fact remain that i will not want to carry too many stuff. I am not going to be cutting down trees just some small branch for shelter and firewood and perhaps some clearing task. For prying not that i am going to do that but need to know its a strong enough for that and if the need ever arise who knows?
I know a cheap saw, axe, small fixed blade and a multitool will do better and one knife (as for prying i cannot see the need to pry in the wild what are you going to pry anyway? The only thing i can think of is cans and that is what can openers are for.) I am looking a big fixed blade and a small fixed blade for my needs. And as for the multitool i carry my LM Supertool everyday everywhere.
Presently i am considering the SOG Tigershark and Revolver. The Tigershark seem to be a strong enough for a chopper and the Revolver has a saw. Since both are from the seal series so i think they will stand up to saltwater enviroment.
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Macbeth, pairing the SOG Seal Revolver with a larger knife or Hatchet (or both) would be a great idea. I have knives from Becker, Busse and Swamp Rat and feel that any of them would serve you well. I also have some Khukuris from Himalayan Import. A 16.5" or 18" WWII model would out chop most "Hard use" knives out there and still handle lighter work like brush work.
 
I don't think there are many large chopper knives that are highly rust resistant, since most are made from carbon steel. The Entrek line is an exception, and gets good reviews. A large Entrek should be better than a SOG Tigershark, since it is made from significantly better steel (440C versus AUS6 for the Tigershark).
 
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