Ultimate ZT EDC!!!!!!!!!

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Ok I have some XM -18's, Chris Reeves, a Strider and Emerson's. I also have a ZT 0560 and carry it alot outdoors. I truly love this knife!! BUT I would absolulty love a 3" version for EDC! I love all my knives I listed and carry my Sebenza 25 the most. The 0560 is just a tad big For me to carry at work. It's my only ELMAX blade and it is very impressive so far. Any way anyone else want a 3" 0560?image.jpg
 
566 is on its way. It is pretty much what you are looking for.
 
Currently, ZT does not have a practical EDC let alone an ultimate one. Actually, you need more than one ultimate EDC based on the "mission"... I'm mostly talking about urban street clothing EDC as in a gentleman's folder. The other ZTs have their place and purpose (I carry ZT 0300ST, 0350ZDPCKST and 0550BLK).

The ZT 0770CF (and the less expensive 0770 with aluminium scales) is a step in the right direction for ZT to go after the EDC market. However, ZT needs to have a solid 3" folder (legal reasons for cities like Los Angeles) that is slim (as in narrow even though it can be a bit thick based on the thickness of the blade). I believe ZT is making a conscious effort in the right direction. Time will tell if/when it comes to fruition. My current street clothing EDC varies from a very light CRKT Large Eros to a DPx HEST/F Milspec (with CRK Small Sebenza and Kershaw Leek CB in the middle). All fit in my change pocket and all with a 3" blade.
 
Currently, ZT does not have a practical EDC let alone an ultimate one. Actually, you need more than one ultimate EDC based on the "mission"... I'm mostly talking about urban street clothing EDC as in a gentleman's folder. The other ZTs have their place and purpose (I carry ZT 0300ST, 0350ZDPCKST and 0550BLK).

The ZT 0770CF (and the less expensive 0770 with aluminium scales) is a step in the right direction for ZT to go after the EDC market. However, ZT needs to have a solid 3" folder (legal reasons for cities like Los Angeles) that is slim (as in narrow even though it can be a bit thick based on the thickness of the blade). I believe ZT is making a conscious effort in the right direction. Time will tell if/when it comes to fruition. My current street clothing EDC varies from a very light CRKT Large Eros to a DPx HEST/F Milspec (with CRK Small Sebenza and Kershaw Leek CB in the middle). All fit in my change pocket and all with a 3" blade.

This is simply my opinion and counterarguement, please don't take offense. You are right insofar as gentlemen's knife. The box tells the story of the knives in general. They are overbuilt and designed for work and hard use. The box doesn't say "Classy knives, for classy gentlemen". That is why we have a ton of other products on the market. A gentlemen's knife branded "Zero Tolerance" seems to me on some level at least, an oxymoron.

What a lot of people are not understanding is that not all manufacturers must have, or want to have a presence in all markets. Especially with ones that have stiff competition as it is. The "gentlemen's" line is dominated by Chris Reeve, William, Henry, and a whole truckload of traditional knives (GEC, Northwoods, Tidioute, etc.). Again, many manufactures here on BF have stated throughout the years repeatedly that it's a huge financial risk diving into a market that is dominated by other companies that specialize in that exclusively and have the market cornered.

The Blur, Shallot, Leek, and a ton of other knives can and do just fine. I like my ZT knives to be over 4 ounces, have 3.5"+ blades, and be heavy duty. On some level some folks just really want to see Land Rover compete with Rolls Royce I guess.
 
A lot of people want a smaller 0560, it's already in the works.

I'm curious if you're referring to the 0566? The reason I ask is that I emailed ZT/KAI USA approx. 6mos ago expressing my interest in a 3" (max) version of the 0560/61 asking if they had plans to ever release this version, and their reply was no. Do you have some new info?
 
This is simply my opinion and counterarguement, please don't take offense. You are right insofar as gentlemen's knife. The box tells the story of the knives in general. They are overbuilt and designed for work and hard use. The box doesn't say "Classy knives, for classy gentlemen". That is why we have a ton of other products on the market. A gentlemen's knife branded "Zero Tolerance" seems to me on some level at least, an oxymoron.

What a lot of people are not understanding is that not all manufacturers must have, or want to have a presence in all markets. Especially with ones that have stiff competition as it is. The "gentlemen's" line is dominated by Chris Reeve, William, Henry, and a whole truckload of traditional knives (GEC, Northwoods, Tidioute, etc.). Again, many manufactures here on BF have stated throughout the years repeatedly that it's a huge financial risk diving into a market that is dominated by other companies that specialize in that exclusively and have the market cornered.

The Blur, Shallot, Leek, and a ton of other knives can and do just fine. I like my ZT knives to be over 4 ounces, have 3.5"+ blades, and be heavy duty. On some level some folks just really want to see Land Rover compete with Rolls Royce I guess.

I wouldn't dream of taking offense and I counter your counter...

Of course, my statement on EDC was put in the proper context of urban street clothes carry specially in the 3" blade folder market.

ZT has an image problem. The original customer base for the hard-use tanks and now diversified into smaller premium folders as well. It can satisfy them all oxymoron or not!

ZT had said many a times that it's all about DIVERSITY:

We constantly look for deversity. Size, action, price, designer, materials, etc...

Diversity is, and has always been, ZT's magic word.

The current ZT catalog page 3:

The original cutting tool was the sharp tooth of the predator. Next came the blade. Then, after thousands of years of evolution, Zero Tolerance Knives was born.

Designed and manufactured to stand up to hard use, Zero Tolerance knives are built of premium materials such as S30V, ELMAX, or 154CM blade steel and 3-D machined G-10 and titanium handles. These proudly overbuilt knives have earned a reputation among their devoted fans for being “built like a tank” or even “a real beast.”

Which is as it should be.

The current ZT catalog page 23:

Zero Tolerance builds the kind of premium-quality, professional knives that you can depend on every single day.

The brand made its first appearance in 2006 when Kai USA, the makers of Zero Tolerance, saw a place in the market for a made-in-the-USA line of hard-use knives that would meet the needs of professionals, such as the military, law enforcement, as well as other first responders, including fire fighters and emergency medical personnel.

The initial products were combat knives, but since that time, the line has expanded to include a variety of general-use and premium knives. Although Zero Tolerance knives are larger, heavier knives, many customers won’t have anything else as an everyday carrying knife.

Zero Tolerance incorporates the most advanced materials and technologies in a tool that has been with us from the beginning. And they’re still evolving…

Realistically and practically-speaking, I don't see how or why ZT's expansion of product lines both vertically and horizontally should "offend" some within the customer and/or potential customer base. Some want more hard-use, some more exotics (LE), some smaller/lighter folders, etc. Why shouldn't ZT cater to all in good time.

Personally, I look forward to the continued expansion of the ZT line in all areas with top-notch design, quality and materials.
 
I get that and so do I but in some places a 3" blade is legal and over 3" is not. I love the 0560 but a mini would be a awesome option.

The upcoming ZT0770 seems to be a little more EDC friendly. ZT's have a reputation of being tough and overbuilt, and as a result they're usually larger and heavier. I'd love to see sleeker and lighter ZTs. A smaller size doesn't means they'd have to sacrifice strength.
 
I'll just leave this here:

Perspective and understanding go a long way in discussions like this.

I’d like to address the short runs with new designs, and the variations/boutique production with existing product, along with some history and generality.

The ZT brand is a fairly young brand that currently has a limited amount of patterns that are available. It becomes challenging when you are trying to grow and produce a new brand like ZT while maintaining and evolving a mature brand like Kershaw. Throw in Shun, Pure Komachi, and the Houswares side, and mix it with our URI (Old Spice, Noxema, Kasho, etc…) beauty care portion of our business, and it gets complex very quickly.

With this complexity comes expectations from the consumer. Zero Tolerance is our smallest brand, and produces the least amount of profit within the organization. At the same time, it, Shun, and Kasho (http://www.kasho-usa.com/), are the most difficult and time consuming to produce. This is important for your understanding.

When it comes to ZT design direction, the intention was never for it to be a specialty brand that played in one genre. Originally we felt that the overbuilt folder genre would be a good category to use in launching the brand. In many cases, to be successful with a new brand you have to invest heavily on the launch, and hope popularity will eventually take over. The overbuilt folders did what we hoped they would do, and ZT became a brand in our little marketplace. We were happy, as that in itself can be a lot of time, effort, and money, with no guarantee.

With the foundation in place, we were now able to better concentrate on taking the ZT brand and filling it out to our vision. Our vision was not to be CRK’s and/or Strideresque like with our identity. No, our vision was much wider and diverse in what we could deliver, and how we wanted to be identified as a brand. Our vision was to have a wide variety of flavors, makers, genres, etc. so that we could share and have interest from users and enthusiasts from all walks to enjoy. This is how we felt we could expand and leap past those that specialize, and capture the true variety that the spectrum of the knife world has to offer.

Zero Tolerance the brand will never produce itself into a corner and be known for just one style. It will blossom into and be known for many strengths with design. We only need but more time so to carry out our vision.
[Emphasis added.]

As of today, there are both collector pieces and there are users. in both cases there can be limited production. Some folks like to use there knives in either case. They are both designed to do so. With the brand popularity secondary prices are starting to move. Discontinued product, as well as LE are seeing strong movements. This is a good thing for the brand. Again, there will be diversity within the brand. Each piece we produce wont always be for you, but they will be for someone. Try not to confuse our direction with your preferences. We understand that there are those originals out there that want more overbuilt, and while we've fed you in the past, you're looking for more. To that I say give it time. We have not, and will never abandon that genre.

The brand is still establishing itself, and the best is yet to come.

Thanks for the understanding.

Source: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...about-KAI-s-direction?p=12336006#post12336006
 
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The upcoming ZT0770 seems to be a little more EDC friendly. ZT's have a reputation of being tough and overbuilt, and as a result they're usually larger and heavier. I'd love to see sleeker and lighter ZTs. A smaller size doesn't means they'd have to sacrifice strength.

Smaller size absolutely does NOT mean sacrifice in strength or hard-use. Classic examples are DPx HEST/F Milspec and LionSteel SR2 folders with 3" blades that are 0.16-0.19" thick!
 
Smaller size absolutely does NOT mean sacrifice in strength or hard-use. Classic examples are DPx HEST/F Milspec and LionSteel SR2 folders with 3" blades that are 0.16-0.19" thick!

Yeah, I agree, thats what I said. My small CRK Seb is a tank of a knife. So is my Spyderco Sage II.
 
Smaller size absolutely does NOT mean sacrifice in strength or hard-use. Classic examples are DPx HEST/F Milspec and LionSteel SR2 folders with 3" blades that are 0.16-0.19" thick!

True. But I, for one, wouldn't lump those knives into the same category as the 0770CF. Both the DPx HEST/F Milspec and the Lionsteel SR2 weigh 4.9 ounces. They're too big and bulky to qualify as true gentlemen's knives IMO. At a mere 3.0 ounces, however, the 0770CF certainly does qualify. For me, at least, the 0770CF is the ultimate ZT EDC and undeniable proof of KAI's intention to take the ZT product line into new and diverse directions.
 
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True. But I, for one, wouldn't lump those knives into the same category as the 0770CF. Both the DPx HEST/F Milspec and the Lionsteel SR2 weigh 4.9 ounces. Neither of them qualifies as a true gentleman's knife IMO. At a mere 3.0 ounces, the 0770CF certainly does.

True but what I was driving at is that you CAN have a beefy 3" folder for your change pocket.

Personally, size is more important than weight.

Overall, you can see that various markets arise and as a producer no need to be labeled as just one type!

Also, there is no one type of EDC market based on where you live, your work, activities, etc.
 
Personally, weight is more important than size. But then I don't use pocket clips and I work in an office. That may have something to do with it.
 
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