Ultra Slim Titanium and LC200N 110

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What do you guys think of this? What about an ultra slim titanium handled (or scandium) 110 with an LC200N steel blade? It would be impervious to corrosion and be fairly light in weight.

(A 102 with LC200N would be awesome, as well)
 
LC200N is the most rust resistant steel out there. A person would have to go to H-1 or something that was rust proof to do better, in that regard. This steel would make sense for hunters and fishermen and divers.
 
LC200N is very rust resistant. its not impervious tho. its got really great edge retention when heat treated properly and has good edge geometry.
 
Spyderco already makes it. The Spydiechef LC200N with Titanium handle. They have pics of rust or stains on it. Cost $200 I'll stick with 420c - 440c stainless Buck for chef work.
 
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I looked it up, and the Spydiechef LC200N is actually not a 110 with and ultra slim titanium (or scandium) handle. (It's not a 102 either).

I have a question though...
Do these "super steels" really make that much difference? I mean, I've been using either 420HC, 440C, or S30V for 20 some-odd years along with some other standard steel offerings. I clean and sharpen them all after use and have no issues with rust and edge retention is relative to what's being cut.
 
MT_Pokt said:
I looked it up, and the Spydiechef LC200N is actually not a 110 with and ultra slim titanium (or scandium) handle. (It's not a 102 either).

I have a question though...
Do these "super steels" really make that much difference? I mean, I've been using either 420HC, 440C, or S30V for 20 some-odd years along with some other standard steel offerings. I clean and sharpen them all after use and have no issues with rust and edge retention is relative to what's being cut.
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yes the super steel's often have MUCH longer edge retention proven in many tests depending on things like heat treatment and edge geometry.
 
Buck doesn't have to go through the trouble of making a 110 or 102 because the Spydiechef is already mfg. by Spyderco. It has what DocT is looking for in a knife.
It also is a folder.
 
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The Spydiechef is not a Buck and it is not a hunting knife. I am certainly a Spyderco fan, but that knife is far from what I was talking about.

Yes, super steels make a huge difference. Some of these can be hard to sharpen but they hold an edge an incredibly long time. LC200N does not hold an edge near that long but is easy to sharpen. But, it is difficult to even force rust (near impossible) with this steel. One of the guys who writes over there on the Spyderco sub forum is a sports writer and he fishes from a kayak in the ocean daily. He tests knives and leaves his knives in the boat, in the salt water, with blood and salt, but he has no issues with LC200N, even after a year or two of this. LC200N is even better than N680, another nitrogen steel, which I have experience with (and no issues). So, yes, super steels make a difference.
 
So... You're suggesting that this Spyderco, with its frame-lock, .11" thick sheepsfoot blade that is both thinner and nearly a half an inch shorter is the answer to the OP's idea?? The only things it has in common is the materials. That's like suggesting someone looking for a pair of jeans would be happy with a denim jacket...

On the "super-steel" topic, is it wiser to have a steel that will hold an edge longer, or one that is easier to sharpen? I prefer the easier to sharpen steel myself. Longer edge retention is great, but if you assume it's going to hold up and it doesn't, then what? Say you're on a week long outback hunt. Do you pack your super-steel and the diamond system in the event you have to sharpen it; or do you pack a pedestrian steel and a stone? What if you forget or lose your sharpening system? Can you sharpen the super-steel on a creek rock like you can 420?

I guess I'm old school in that the better tool is the one you don't need supporting tools for. I would carry something fancy to the office, but for work it's going to be something easily serviced.
 
DocT said:
The Spydiechef is not a Buck and it is not a hunting knife. I am certainly a Spyderco fan, but that knife is far from what I was talking about.

Yes, super steels make a huge difference. Some of these can be hard to sharpen but they hold an edge an incredibly long time. LC200N does not hold an edge near that long but is easy to sharpen. But, it is difficult to even force rust (near impossible) with this steel. One of the guys who writes over there on the Spyderco sub forum is a sports writer and he fishes from a kayak in the ocean daily. He tests knives and leaves his knives in the boat, in the salt water, with blood and salt, but he has no issues with LC200N, even after a year or two of this. LC200N is even better than N680, another nitrogen steel, which I have experience with (and no issues). So, yes, super steels make a difference.
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That salt water type situation would require something like the LC200N, for sure. I think if I were coastal with my adventures, I would certainly appreciate those materials more. Great example!
 
DREAM ON!!!:rolleyes: The Spydiechef is the closest you'll get to a knife with your materials. You never mentioned a hunting knife and I honestly think your stretching your imagination if you think your going to get a Buck knife with these materials.
 
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You won't see a Buck 110 made in Taiwan.
 
LC200N is a USA made steel and Buck, a company that has a history with making a 110 type knife from Titanium is an American company. I do not see your connection to Taiwan. As for the Spydiechef, the only things similar are the materials. The knives are very different. This conversation has people asking for a solution to 2+2 and you guys are answering "ice cream", so to speak.

(The Spydiechef is a really nice knife, though)
 
DocT said:
What do you guys think of this? What about an ultra slim titanium handled (or scandium) 110 with an LC200N steel blade? It would be impervious to corrosion and be fairly light in weight.

(A 102 with LC200N would be awesome, as well)
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I like the idea. The titanium bolstered 110's we are working on are going to be thinner than a factory 110. I might grind a few exotic steel blades for them in the future.
I also think Bucks current steel offerings are pretty darn good. I choose 420C in the woods and S30V for the office/ workplace where it's less abused ...
 
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I answered your question knowing you are not going to see anything from Buck like that in the near future and pointed you to the closest knife that is in production with the materials you mention, in case you lived near saltwater or plan fishing in the oceans. I did not think it would lead to this. JAGcustomknives is your answer. He has his own forum to ask him questions about what he can do. I don't know if this was a hypothetical question or you were actually looking for such a knife?

DocT I was just trying to help you since I saw this thread sitting for a day without anyone trying to provide an answer. So pointing you towards The Spydiechef I thought would give you something if you were actually looking for a knife in a timely manner, a knife with the materials you asked for. I had no clue you only wanted a Buck knife which is not produced and you were fantasizing.
 
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I was just referring to the spidiechef being made in Taiwan. From what I can tell the steel is made in Germany.


Not positive.

Specifications
  • Blade Length: 3.32"
  • Cutting Edge: 3.31"
  • Closed Length: 4.46"
  • Overall Length: 7.78"
  • Blade Thickness: 0.114"
  • Blade Material: LC200 N
  • Blade Grind: Full-Flat
  • Blade Edge: Plain
  • Blade Style: Modified Drop Point
  • Handle Material: Titanium
  • Locking Mechanism: Reeve Integral Lock (R.I.L.)
  • Pocket Clip: Tip-Up
  • Model Number: C211TIP
  • Model Name: SpydieChef
  • Designer: Marcin Slysz
  • Weight: 3.8 oz.
  • Made in Taiwan
 
200 dollars for a tawain knife is like spending 500 on carbon damascus 110.
Im sure the value is the eye of the beholder.

Im thinking about soaking a standard 110 with 420 steel in Salt water and seeing what happens.
 
MICHAEL5135 said:
I answered your question knowing you are not going to see anything from Buck like that in the near future and pointed you to the closest knife that is in production with the materials you mention, in case you lived near saltwater or plan fishing in the oceans. I did not think it would lead to this. JAGcustomknives is your answer. He has his own forum to ask him questions about what he can do. I don't know if this was a hypothetical question or you were actually looking for such a knife?

DocT I was just trying to help you since I saw this thread sitting for a day without anyone trying to provide an answer. So pointing you towards The Spydiechef I thought would give you something if you were actually looking for a knife in a timely manner, a knife with the materials you asked for. I had no clue you only wanted a Buck knife which is not produced and you were fantasizing.
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I did not mean to sound short. I am home with the stomach flu, so I am sorry if I came off that way. I was just pointing out that I was just discussing the Buck. I appreciate the input from everyone. Many times, things we post like this do not get 'made' by Buck, but still get made by Buck for another maker, like C&C, SK, and others. For example, see the upcoming S30V 102 (can't wait).
 
JAGcustomknives said:
I like the idea. The titanium bolstered 110's we are working on are going to be thinner than a factory 110. I might grind a few exotic steel blades for them in the future.
I also think Bucks current steel offerings are pretty darn good. I choose 420C in the woods and S30V for the office/ workplace where it's less abused ...
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That sounds pretty good.

Why do you choose 420HC for the woods and not the S30V? I know 420HC is a lot easier to sharpen.
 
Sorry DocT I understand. Jared at JAGcustomknives is willing to discuss living up to expectations and making your knife into reality if it is within his capabilities.
 
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