Umnumzaan: Bad for Sheeple? How's it Look Beat Up?

[JP Chestnut]

Crap. Oh well. no umnumzaan for me then! Thanks

Get something with a pink handle or scale. It's the least aggressive color I can think of.

 

[C_Becker]

Two hugely different things IMHO, most people aren't "into knives" but they don't make a huge scene everytime you open a package or cut an apple.

Sheeple are the ones who think a SAK is a weapon of mass destruction [...]

Good point. If the person with the knife doesn't have anything to cut, or have any other useful reason to be waving a knife around for, it makes me somewhat uncomfortable if I don't know them.

Thank you, exactly what I was trying to say. No one in their right mind is going to freak out if you cut your sandwich during lunch or open a package.
If they do, they are sheep, "lack of empathy" be damned.

Look, let's be honest about something. Pocket knives can be used as weapons. They ARE inherently dangerous. Knife people (which I am one) like to gloss over that fact, because it's not something that we spend time thinking about. But the fact is, people in public, coworkers, etc., when confronted by someone they only passingly know suddenly whipping out a knife, MAY have a poor reaction. That doesn't mean they are "sheep" or that they lack independent thinking, or that they're just "following the herd". Frankly, calling people sheep shows a lack of empathy on your (and everyone else who does it's) part.

Plenty of people have been stabbed with knives, so let's not act like people have no call for being uncomfortable around people they don't know very well suddenly displaying a tool that can also be used as a weapon.

I have coworkers I don't know very well, and if one of them suddenly deployed a large folder, I would take a small step back. Does that make me a sheep too? Just "following the herd"? Of course not. So let's start doing more thinking, and stop acting like people are idiots or herd thinkers just because they are uncomfortable with a passing acquaintance suddenly revealing possession of a tool that can be used as a weapon.

It seems like you and I are talking about totally different situations. Lets just leave it at that.

 

[Gnehus]

The Zaan looks better with wear, imo.

 

[DrFish]

Look, let's be honest about something. Pocket knives can be used as weapons. They ARE inherently dangerous. Knife people (which I am one) like to gloss over that fact, because it's not something that we spend time thinking about. But the fact is, people in public, coworkers, etc., when confronted by someone they only passingly know suddenly whipping out a knife, MAY have a poor reaction. That doesn't mean they are "sheep" or that they lack independent thinking, or that they're just "following the herd". Frankly, calling people sheep shows a lack of empathy on your (and everyone else who does it's) part.

Plenty of people have been stabbed with knives, so let's not act like people have no call for being uncomfortable around people they don't know very well suddenly displaying a tool that can also be used as a weapon.

I have coworkers I don't know very well, and if one of them suddenly deployed a large folder, I would take a small step back. Does that make me a sheep too? Just "following the herd"? Of course not. So let's start doing more thinking, and stop acting like people are idiots or herd thinkers just because they are uncomfortable with a passing acquaintance suddenly revealing possession of a tool that can be used as a weapon.

Seriously?

Are you being argumentative just for the sake of it?

I think we all understand here that if somebody "Suddenly deploys" a large knife, it's cause for alarm. That's not what we're talking about when we talk about sheeple. Sheeple are the kind of people where they see a pocket clip and freak out, or see you gently open a folding knife with two hands, take a step back, and say "WHOA, Why are you carrying a WEAPON??" as they stare agape at the 3 inch blade of your swiss army knife. These are people who will look at your knife and because it has a black blade coating, loudly proclaim that it must be made for MAN KILLING. That's sheeple. It's not a matter of lack of empathy.

I personally make it a habit NOT to whip out folders, or deploy blades quickly. Often, if it's a quick small task, I'll only partially open a blade and use it that way (like cutting a piece of tape or string) to avoid alarming anybody. 99% of the people I am around have no real problem with knives (and I'm in a healthcare setting), they're just not knife people. I don't call them sheeple just for not liking knives. I'm acutely aware that if I was to flick open a folder for no reason that it would alarm them. That's just plain NORMAL.

The sheeple you have to worry about is that one person who things that anything with an edge on it must be a stabbity killing weapon and has a full on freak out for no reason because they think the knife looks scary. The OP has a legitimate concern that some knives will cause a sheeple alarm simply by looking wrong. If you are in a sheeple dense environment (a herd as it were), you definitely don't want to have a dark ops folder on you. So the question is how far away from a slip joint can you get and still not panic the herd. Honestly, the answer is not that far.

 

[Quiet]

Seriously?

Are you being argumentative just for the sake of it?

I think we all understand here that if somebody "Suddenly deploys" a large knife, it's cause for alarm. That's not what we're talking about when we talk about sheeple. Sheeple are the kind of people where they see a pocket clip and freak out, or see you gently open a folding knife with two hands, take a step back, and say "WHOA, Why are you carrying a WEAPON??" as they stare agape at the 3 inch blade of your swiss army knife. These are people who will look at your knife and because it has a black blade coating, loudly proclaim that it must be made for MAN KILLING. That's sheeple. It's not a matter of lack of empathy.

I personally make it a habit NOT to whip out folders, or deploy blades quickly. Often, if it's a quick small task, I'll only partially open a blade and use it that way (like cutting a piece of tape or string) to avoid alarming anybody. 99% of the people I am around have no real problem with knives (and I'm in a healthcare setting), they're just not knife people. I don't call them sheeple just for not liking knives. I'm acutely aware that if I was to flick open a folder for no reason that it would alarm them. That's just plain NORMAL.

The sheeple you have to worry about is that one person who things that anything with an edge on it must be a stabbity killing weapon and has a full on freak out for no reason because they think the knife looks scary. The OP has a legitimate concern that some knives will cause a sheeple alarm simply by looking wrong. If you are in a sheeple dense environment (a herd as it were), you definitely don't want to have a dark ops folder on you. So the question is how far away from a slip joint can you get and still not panic the herd. Honestly, the answer is not that far.

Argumentative? It's called expressing an opinion, which last I checked, membership of this board allowed me to do.

If you actually use the term "sheeple" then you're exactly who I'm talking about. Well done. I'm going to go ahead and just say it. The term "sheeple" is something idiots use to display their inability to understand other people (and worse, are arrogant about it). Good lord, some folks.

Consider this, there are folks out there who think you're just a member of the "herd" yourself. Personally I find it rather sad that someone claiming to be in the healthcare industry, and with "Dr" in his username would rather use a douche nickname for people in a dismissive way, rather than understand "Hey, some people aren't comfortable with people possessing weapons in their close proximity. Ok, got it."

P.S. Mods, I'll gladly accept the redcard for using insulting language against people using arrogant, condescending terminology.

 

[DrFish]

Argumentative? It's called expressing an opinion, which last I checked, membership of this board allowed me to do.

If you actually use the term "sheeple" then you're exactly who I'm talking about. Well done. I'm going to go ahead and just say it. The term "sheeple" is something idiots use to display their inability to understand other people (and worse, are arrogant about it). Good lord, some folks.

Consider this, there are folks out there who think you're just a member of the "herd" yourself. Personally I find it rather sad that someone claiming to be in the healthcare industry, and with "Dr" in his username would rather use a douche nickname for people in a dismissive way, rather than understand "Hey, some people aren't comfortable with people possessing weapons in their close proximity. Ok, got it."

P.S. Mods, I'll gladly accept the redcard for using insulting language against people using arrogant, condescending terminology.

Good lord indeed. Your "argument" was argumentative for its own sake. That's what I called you out on. Yes. You were expressing an opinion. An overly argumentative one. He just wanted to know if a umnumzaan was likely to scare people too much and whether it would show pocket wear well, and you have to launch into a whole thing about how superior you are to those idiots who bandy about the word sheeple because you're so much more empathic and sensitive to the needs of those around you and now you're the white knight who's going to lead the crusade against this horrible slander? Really now?

Dismissive? Not understanding that some people aren't comfortable with people possessing weapons in their close proximity? Did you read the response? Read it again. Slowly. Without the knee jerk reaction.

I understand perfectly that MOST people are not comfortable with weapons around them. I specifically called that out as NORMAL. What I don't consider normal is somebody having a flip out about situations that NORMAL people handle without difficulty. Such as the carefully opened Swiss Army knife in my example. I consider that an pathological response. I strongly suggested that the people should use EMPATHY in using knives around people to avoid conflict. That people should be aware of the fact that no matter how carefully you try to not scare some people, if it has an edge, they're gonna think its only purpose is killing. That you're not gonna convince them otherwise, so find a way to not alarm them.

I find it rather sad that somebody with the username "quiet" felt a need to be so rude to insult me professionally based only on my usage of the word sheeple. I will grant you that the term as used in reference to sharp object phobia is quite an overreach, as sheeple is usually used in a more political context. In this case, it was meant to refer to the unusually meek in the population as opposed to the more politically relevant mindless herd instinct definition. Maybe you feel like I should use a more specific sensitive terminology less offensive toward our beloved barnyard animals? How about aichmophobes? Shall I call them that? Will that make you happy? Maybe the mods should post a "trigger warning" at the top of every post here in case any aichmophobes who happen to be reading bladeforums get palpitations from seeing the pictures.

Better? I'll get started with the national aichmophobja awareness campaign. Maybe we'll have a 5K run to raise money for our ribbon stickers for the minivan. Instead of a starting gun we can have the starting official open an Emerson commander with the wave to get people running.

 

[Quiet]

Good lord indeed. Your "argument" was argumentative for its own sake. That's what I called you out on. Yes. You were expressing an opinion. An overly argumentative one. He just wanted to know if a umnumzaan was likely to scare people too much and whether it would show pocket wear well, and you have to launch into a whole thing about how superior you are to those idiots who bandy about the word sheeple because you're so much more empathic and sensitive to the needs of those around you and now you're the white knight who's going to lead the crusade against this horrible slander? Really now?

Dismissive? Not understanding that some people aren't comfortable with people possessing weapons in their close proximity? Did you read the response? Read it again. Slowly. Without the knee jerk reaction.

I understand perfectly that MOST people are not comfortable with weapons around them. I specifically called that out as NORMAL. What I don't consider normal is somebody having a flip out about situations that NORMAL people handle without difficulty. Such as the carefully opened Swiss Army knife in my example. I consider that an pathological response. I strongly suggested that the people should use EMPATHY in using knives around people to avoid conflict. That people should be aware of the fact that no matter how carefully you try to not scare some people, if it has an edge, they're gonna think its only purpose is killing. That you're not gonna convince them otherwise, so find a way to not alarm them.

I find it rather sad that somebody with the username "quiet" felt a need to be so rude to insult me professionally based only on my usage of the word sheeple. I will grant you that the term as used in reference to sharp object phobia is quite an overreach, as sheeple is usually used in a more political context. In this case, it was meant to refer to the unusually meek in the population as opposed to the more politically relevant mindless herd instinct definition. Maybe you feel like I should use a more specific sensitive terminology less offensive toward our beloved barnyard animals? How about aichmophobes? Shall I call them that? Will that make you happy? Maybe the mods should post a "trigger warning" at the top of every post here in case any aichmophobes who happen to be reading bladeforums get palpitations from seeing the pictures.

Better? I'll get started with the national aichmophobja awareness campaign. Maybe we'll have a 5K run to raise money for our ribbon stickers for the minivan. Instead of a starting gun we can have the starting official open an Emerson commander with the wave to get people running.

*Paging Dr. Fish to the Pharmacy desk, your diaper rash cream is ready. Paging Dr. Fish!*

I mean, wow. Are you kidding with that whole schpiel? I could almost feel the flecks of spittle from your manufactured outrage from here. There's so much poor logic contained in that response that I just don't even feel like responding to it. It would be an abject waste of my time, to be candid. You seem to have poor impulse control and for whatever reason, it's clear that my words pissed you right off. So, my sincere advice, doctor would be for you to put the keyboard down, and switch to decaf so you don't accidentally kill someone the next time you find something to flip out over. Good luck with that. :thumbup:

 

[DrFish]

*Paging Dr. Fish to the Pharmacy desk, your diaper rash cream is ready. Paging Dr. Fish!*

I mean, wow. Are you kidding with that whole schpiel? I could almost feel the flecks of spittle from your manufactured outrage from here. There's so much poor logic contained in that response that I just don't even feel like responding to it. It would be an abject waste of my time, to be candid. You seem to have poor impulse control and for whatever reason, it's clear that my words pissed you right off. So, my sincere advice, doctor would be for you to put the keyboard down, and switch to decaf so you don't accidentally kill someone the next time you find something to flip out over. Good luck with that. :thumbup:

Resorting to personal attacks a second time? Was that really necessary? Did my words piss you off enough that you have to call names and poke fun? Do you think that helps make your point?

At least we agree on one thing, this is useless. As others have said, it is completely pointless talking with the likes of you. Welcome to the ignore list. Enjoy tilting at windmills.

 

[Quiet]

Resorting to personal attacks a second time? Was that really necessary? Did my words piss you off enough that you have to call names and poke fun? Do you think that helps make your point?

At least we agree on one thing, this is useless. As others have said, it is completely pointless talking with the likes of you. Welcome to the ignore list. Enjoy tilting at windmills.

I'm not pissed off at all, there's the difference between us. Look at that keyboard vomit dump above from you, and then ask again which of us is pissed off over this. It isn't me.

The likes of me? That's rich. Why did you respond to me again? Oh, right, sandyboxitis, caused because you didn't like my comments. :thumbup:

 

[Stays Sharp]

Didn't read the thread and where the discussion brought it... Just wanted to say, I'm getting my second Umnumzaan (regular to match my StarTac). It's my relatively speaking- high end carry knife of choice. I live and travel in big CA cities non too rural and while I will pull my knife out if I need it anytime/anywhere, I am aware and discreet about it. People can get scared of any knife you pull out, especially in urban or higher crime areas. It's easy to say "I dont care what people think" and I really don't but it's the society we live in... Gotta adapt a little bit. I had a lady at the post office freak out because I pulled out my mini Grip to finish up my package, and that's while being discreet so it doesn't matter...Umnumzaan or any modern and/or tactical looking folder of any size, people will react to it. I know in more rural places I've lived like Georgia and Kentucky, I can sit around anywhere, outside a restaurant or even in class flicking a knife and noone would think anything of it. You guys out there got it good!

 

[DrFish]

Just to bring things back to topic since they got derailed.

Here's some photos of an umnumzaan with a good amount of miles in it. Maybe 2 - 3 years or so of on and off pocket carry, not overly picky about what went in with it.

It develops the usually CRK titanium patina over time. The milled pattern definitely breaks it up a bit so that the scuffs aren't as noticeable at first as on a plain sebenza. Either you get over it after the first few marks and learn to enjoy the knife or you can send it back to the spa and it come back looking like new. Win either way.

I think this is probably the sort of info OP was looking for.

 

[mc556]

Hello from Birmingham

Never had a blade on me north of the Mason-Dixon either since it's usually by plane. My MIL is from Chicago but lived here 30 years fortunately, and I simply explained to her that down here, we basically learn in order: walking, alphabet, how to fire a gun, how to whittle some wood, how to run a push mower, and that I had achieved those by age 7. Hell, most of us are driving our dad's truck on backroads by age 10 lol.

After reading your order of things learned It really brought back some great memory's.
I don't remember everything but 34 years ago my dad passed down my grandpa's .22 Winchester I was 5 years old.
I also learned how to use a machete which I didn't think much about however that old Collins is sitting in the man room as I type.
What made me laugh is I did learn to drive on my Dads 1979 f150. He would let me drive the back roads where I learned to hunt I doubt I was more than 9.

How far we have fallen that you have to select a knife based on what city you live in. Anyway thanks for bringing me back in time