Umnumzaan Breakdown - Thoughts

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After quite a bit of talk about the Umnumzaan, specifically the ceramic ball tipped locking bar, I decided that when I got mine back I would take a look. After taking a look and doing some thinking I believe it to be better then the original framelock, based on conclusions I developed. These could be totally wrong. I don't make knives or have much knowledge about the processes involved, everything is simply "as I think it works."

We take a knife, like the Sebenza. First off it uses a smaller ceramic ball to hold the blade shut, but the main lip of the scale is used to lock it open. I believe that at any one time only a variable portion of this lock bar can come in contact with the tang of the knife blade. I think that in the manufacturing process, tailoring the tang of the knife and the end of the lockbar would be a critical step in making a perfectly locking knife – something CRK and the Sebenza are known for.

Next up is the Umnumzaan. I believe the integrating the dedent and lock interface into one piece (ceramic ball) makes for an incredibly smooth opening action. You don't have that second "click" where the knife isn't locked but the ceramic ball is passed the tang of the knife. Open - shut simplicity.

The ceramic ball, if I think about it, creates a perfectly rounded lock interface. You don't have to machine anything, you don't have to do anything other then make sure the tang is shaped to accept it. Being harder then the tang it will also have a tendency to "stick" better then simply titanium, but not become "stuck" to the tang of the knife. Something I've noticed with other knives (3 SMF's mostly, and a little bit with my Sage 2) is that tendency for the titanium to become "stuck" to the end of the tang, causing you to have to apply a good amount of force before it pops free.

My Umnumzaan when locked is solid. Even if I don't flick the thumb lugs with my thumb instead just slowly rotate it open it still locks up solid. Although the ceramic ball is touching the other scale there isn't any play and I don't expect any for a long time.

When I spoke with Chris he said that this design had been in his head for about ten years before actually implementing it. Add to that the two or so years (I believe it was introduced in 2008) that it's been out I say it's well on it's way to proving itself.

There are some things I prefer about the Sebenza, mostly stuff on the regular model. Everything that has been changed on the Umnumzaan, blade shape, thumb lugs, pivot, texturing, and lock, all are improvements, in my opinion, over the Sebenza. It's simplified and made better. Simple pivot – no bushing, simple construction – integrated stop pins and lugs, simple lock – I really like the ceramic ball. It's a redesigned knife. Not an improved Sebenza but in my opinion the next logical step.

There are my thoughts, feel free to say I'm completely wrong because heck I might be. :)
 
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Very well thought out design I think. In theory it's stronger then then a regular integral lock and easier to repair if it wears out.

Time will tell.
 
I did a video comparison before my Umnu found a new home. It is a rock-solid knife. It moved on only because I prefer the Classic/21 style ergos, nothing more. :thumbup:
 
Very well thought out design I think. In theory it's stronger then then a regular integral lock and easier to repair if it wears out.

Time will tell.

When I spoke with Chris he said that this design had been in his head for about ten years before actually implementing it. Add to that the two or so years (I believe it was introduced in 2008) that it's been out I say it's well on it's way to proving itself.

There are some things I prefer about the Sebenza, mostly stuff on the regular model. Everything that has been changed, blade shape, thumb lugs, pivot, texturing, and lock, all are improvements, in my opinion, over the Sebenza. It's simplified and made better. Simple pivot – no bushing, simple construction – integrated stop pins and lugs, simple lock – I really like the ceramic ball.
 
I think this folder probably has the potential to become a benchmark in the knife industry like the Sebenza but it probably won't reach the same level of acclaim because it came second.
 
I prefer the sebenza as I think the bushing is a really cool feature. The ceramic balls are a neat idea on the um, but I like the full contact on my seb. I dont see the um as an improvment on the sebenza. It is just a different knife imo
 
I'm with you 100%. I can't figure out why they wouldn't go to the Umnum style lock interface on the Sebenzas.... I know a lot of people here like their Sebs the way they are though.
 
Good observations.
You forgot one of the most important improvements though.

Due to the thumbstud locking up against the frame, the pivot can handle far more torque and sideways stress than a knife that uses a simple stop pin. Most Striders use this feature, as does Hinderer.

Due to this design, the Umnumzaan has a stronger pivot than the Sebenza, and certainly must be easier and less expensive to manufacture.

Chris saw the light.
 
I'm with you 100%. I can't figure out why they wouldn't go to the Umnum style lock interface on the Sebenzas.... I know a lot of people here like their Sebs the way they are though.

They are different knives. They did take the perforated washers and give them to the Seb's though. :)
 
Good observations.
You forgot one of the most important improvements though.

Due to the thumbstud locking up against the frame, the pivot can handle far more torque and sideways stress than a knife that uses a simple stop pin. Most Striders use this feature, as does Hinderer.

Due to this design, the Umnumzaan has a stronger pivot than the Sebenza, and certainly must be easier and less expensive to manufacture.

Chris saw the light.
:thumbup:
I think this to be one of the best changes from the Sebe.
 
Good observations.
You forgot one of the most important improvements though.

Due to the thumbstud locking up against the frame, the pivot can handle far more torque and sideways stress than a knife that uses a simple stop pin. Most Striders use this feature, as does Hinderer.

Due to this design, the Umnumzaan has a stronger pivot than the Sebenza, and certainly must be easier and less expensive to manufacture.

Chris saw the light.

I hadn't thought about that, good point. :thumbup:
 
Cool, I just read the opening statement, the first paragraph. I'm gonna go grab a beer and enjoy reading the rest of this thread ;)
I'll post again after reading hehe cheers!
 
Yep, the pivot on the Umnu is bigger and stronger than some crossover SUVs.

Well, not really, but close... ;)

Good observations.
You forgot one of the most important improvements though.

Due to the thumbstud locking up against the frame, the pivot can handle far more torque and sideways stress than a knife that uses a simple stop pin. Most Striders use this feature, as does Hinderer.

Due to this design, the Umnumzaan has a stronger pivot than the Sebenza, and certainly must be easier and less expensive to manufacture.

Chris saw the light.
 
Yep, the pivot on the Umnu is bigger and stronger than some crossover SUVs.

Well, not really, but close... ;)

The pivot is huge. Probably as large as the pivot on my SMF, though I can't do a direct comparison.
 
The pivot is huge. Probably as large as the pivot on my SMF, though I can't do a direct comparison.
The overall pivot is big, but the screw isn't so much.
I'd like a slightly larger screw for the pivot, given the massive overall size.
But it still works.:)
 
The pivot is huge. Probably as large as the pivot on my SMF, though I can't do a direct comparison.

Pivot diameters, per my digital calipers:
Umnumzaan- 8mm
Strider Sng-9.85mm
XM18-6.33mm
They are all pretty stout, much bigger than a typical Benchmade, ZT, Spyderco, Sebenza, etc. etc. pivot.

The XM-18 uses a hardened stainless fitting, as does Strider.
I don’t know if the ‘zaans pivot is hardened or not.
 
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I don't believe that the pivot is hardened....Really, with the diameter and size of the pivot, there really isn't a need for it. Let's say that CRK uses 303 stainless (example only), the strength of the given pivot is substantial given the size and the area that it covers..

Bill
 
I just miss a small umnumzaan, i've handled a sebenza together with an umnumzaan, but the small sebenza suits my edc alot better, reallly hope crk makes a smal umnum, i'd definiatly would save up for that ;)
 
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