Umnumzaan Update? Hinderer

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I've been reading the threads about the latest incarnation of the Umnumzaan but haven't read much recent news - there was a thread on people hating the Hinderer Lock stabilizer bar due to aesthetics. But it seemed most comments were from people who saw pictures rather than the knife itself.

Now that more time has elapsed, what do people think of this change? Is it aesthetically fine, acceptably, or is it dreadful as some said at first. Also, I remember Anne from CRK said it's only function is to prevent over extension of the framelock outwards. Any comments about that? Does it add to the stability of the lockup? Does it make the unlocking any more difficult?
 
I think that it would have gone over better if it had more of a design element to it. Maybe carrying over the engraving pattern from the rest of the handle, or a CRK logo on it, or something to make it look nicer.
 
DrFish said:
I think that it would have gone over better if it had more of a design element to it. Maybe carrying over the engraving pattern from the rest of the handle, or a CRK logo on it, or something to make it look nicer.
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I think that would help.

I also believe that alot of people are afraid or uncomfortable with change. I remember when Chris went to the Regular design, somple were'nt to pleased about that either but now it is highly sought after. Only time will tell. I personally think it could use the CR logo on it and that might calm those that are dissapointed.
 
IMO there are a few things that could be done to make it "better". The LBS is made from steel rather than Ti so it has a different colour and stands out more next to the blasted Ti. The placing makes it very obvious and draws the eye right to it so it looks a little off. Adding some texture or lettering may help with that, moving it down the lock bar so it's more centered would definitely look better. The idea its self is sound, but the execution is not quite what I would expect from CRK to be honest.
I suppose the resistance to change is part of it too, but if someone came into my house and put up rubber wallpaper because a few numpties had banged their heads I would have a few things to say about that as well. :p

knifeperson said:
I've been reading the threads about the latest incarnation of the Umnumzaan but haven't read much recent news - there was a thread on people hating the Hinderer Lock stabilizer bar due to aesthetics. But it seemed most comments were from people who saw pictures rather than the knife itself.

Now that more time has elapsed, what do people think of this change? Is it aesthetically fine, acceptably, or is it dreadful as some said at first. Also, I remember Anne from CRK said it's only function is to prevent over extension of the framelock outwards. Any comments about that? Does it add to the stability of the lockup? Does it make the unlocking any more difficult?
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numpties?? :confused:

I dont mind the look too much, but I will say im happy I got mine before they added the stabilizer. Though if I wanted an umnumzaan it definitely wouldnt be a deal breaker.
 
A Numpty is a silly person, "numpties" is the plural of course. :p

One of the stated reason for the LBS is to stop people trying to playing with the lock bar tension. It seems CRK have had knives returned to be fixed because of this.
 
It's probably a good thing for those who are using the knife under stress or extreme conditions (like warzones, EMTS, Firefighters, cops). Normal casual open and closing maybe doesn't warrant. Since they show up in other knives might be something that is occurring for other framelocks as well. Would like to see more pictures of it. Agree with you guys, a logo or more blending may look better than the one picture I saw of it.
 
It's going to be interesting to see how that LBS evolves. I tend to doubt that the pics we've seen will be the final look. I also DO NOT agree that a logo should be put on it to "dress" it up. Mr Reeve, im sure, has prob had it with all the "Idaho Made" arguments.
 
ableman said:
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/images/Titanium-3.jpg
I think the addition of the stabilizer is a good element. Like the hinderer xm-18 the umnumzann has limited purchase on the lock bar during release, which cause one to push down on the lock while releasing the blade. Just my thoughts.....
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I like the lockbar stabilizer. Thanks for the link ableman. They are excellent - KAI (ZT) and Strider wouldn't have adopted them if they weren't a good addition. The Umni is supposed to be a hard use CRK folder right? They're not just for thumbing the lockbar too far. From what I've read they help (under extreme conditions) from having a lockbar "blowout." I can't speak to the execution, it looks cool to me. Maybe silver SS color? I can't even notice it on my XM-18 but I don't get them in beadblast, only stonewash and it blends right in. :thumbup:
 
The lock bar stabiliser on the Umnumzaan is there to stop over extension. A "lock stop" on the body of the lock side scale does not help prevent movement in any other direction. It would have to be thick enough or positioned to stay in contact with the lock bar when the knife is opened to do that. Given the placing of it on the Umnumzaan the lock bar moves fully off the stabiliser when in the open position. One can still exert downward pressure when unlocking the knife, not that that makes any difference any way.

ableman said:
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/images/Titanium-3.jpg
I think the addition of the stabilizer is a good element. Like the hinderer xm-18 the umnumzann has limited purchase on the lock bar during release, which cause one to push down on the lock while releasing the blade. Just my thoughts.....
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Haze said:
The lock bar stabiliser on the Umnumzaan is there to stop over extension. A "lock stop" on the body of the lock side scale does not help prevent movement in any other direction. It would have to be thick enough or positioned to stay in contact with the lock bar when the knife is opened to do that. Given the placing of it on the Umnumzaan the lock bar moves fully off the stabiliser when in the open position. One can still exert downward pressure when unlocking the knife, not that that makes any difference any way.
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I was referring to a pic I saw here on BF a year or so ago - where a frame lock bar completely bowed sideways and the face was fully in the over traveled position and jammed to the opposite side.

My XM-18 stop is screwed to the upper part of the locking side and doesn't move when I thumb the lock bar outwards. That's why I posted

From what I've read they help (under extreme conditions) from having a lockbar "blowout."
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I thought I read that somewhere?? Maybe just imagined it or something and forget?? It does seem like if the lock bar tried to bow outward as in a frame lock with a long, slim, lock bar, that it would catch and thus catch the moving bar, cutting the size of the lock bar (so to speak) in 1/2 and make it much stouter against bowing outwards.

I admit to knowing very, very little about these things but I did read it somewhere I thought anyway. Sorry for any mis-information. :o
 
From Rick's page
...The other issue I wanted to address was the lock bar springing towards the back of the knife when gripping it. Sometimes the movement in the lock bar is not really noticeable when using the knife under normal conditions, but when you use the knife really hard, and grip it hard you WILL move the lock bar. This is because to make a frame lock or liner lock knife you have to cut the long slot in the frame or liner to create the lock bar, it does not matter what size slot you cut you will still have material missing there…simple physics suggests that you have a lever and it will move toward the back of the knife…guaranteed…now, what does this mean…1, whenever you have movement in a mechanism it is a chance for that mechanism to fail..2,extra movement in the lock to blade joint will wear the lock face quicker…3,when the blade is locked up on a frame lock with the lock bar stabilizer there will be absolutely no movement in the lock….
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The catastrophic failure of the HD-7 pic I presume ?

If one is putting a knife through the sort of tasks that could cause things like that to happen they are using the wrong tool for the job. No amount of trinkets or gizmos added to a folding knife will stop it failing totally. I think (actually I know) people dream a bit too much with regards to knife use, service persons, hunters, outdoorspeople, workers of all sorts and many others use knives for cutting stuff. These people rarely have problems with their knives as they tend to use them for purpose, though there is a particular other type of person that does have problems......:rolleyes:
 
Haze said:
The catastrophic failure of the HD-7 pic I presume ?

If one is putting a knife through the sort of tasks that could cause things like that to happen they are using the wrong tool for the job. No amount of trinkets or gizmos added to a folding knife will stop it failing totally. I think (actually I know) people dream a bit too much with regards to knife use, service persons, hunters, outdoorspeople, workers of all sorts and many others use knives for cutting stuff. These people rarely have problems with their knives as they tend to use them for purpose, though there is a particular other type of person that does have problems......:rolleyes:
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You must have a great memory Haze cuz I don't even know what an HD-7 is? :)

Anyway, that said - sorry for any mis-information. :thumbup:
 
Haze said:
The lock bar stabiliser on the Umnumzaan is there to stop over extension. A "lock stop" on the body of the lock side scale does not help prevent movement in any other direction. It would have to be thick enough or positioned to stay in contact with the lock bar when the knife is opened to do that. Given the placing of it on the Umnumzaan the lock bar moves fully off the stabiliser when in the open position. One can still exert downward pressure when unlocking the knife, not that that makes any difference any way.
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Glad to hear that the up and down movement on my zaan's lock bar is not a problem when I disengage it, you are surly right though, that the over extension of the bar is a real problem if you are not carful.....thanks for the clarification Haze!
 
So are these rolling out on the regular Umnuzaan? A dealer here has one with the card dated 10-18-11 and it does not have the disc.

knifeperson said:
I've been reading the threads about the latest incarnation of the Umnumzaan but haven't read much recent news - there was a thread on people hating the Hinderer Lock stabilizer bar due to aesthetics. But it seemed most comments were from people who saw pictures rather than the knife itself.

Now that more time has elapsed, what do people think of this change? Is it aesthetically fine, acceptably, or is it dreadful as some said at first. Also, I remember Anne from CRK said it's only function is to prevent over extension of the framelock outwards. Any comments about that? Does it add to the stability of the lockup? Does it make the unlocking any more difficult?
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I remember the HD-7 failure mentioned. I can recall the picture well and that STR mentioned that even though the knife faild it failed as intended. Like a controlled burn.

The LBS on the Um. I believe people have been taking theirs apart. Fiddeling with the lockbar to get "early" lockup even though Chris has stated it appears to be later then it is. So as a result of people tinkering where they should not have this has been introduced.

As long as it does not affect the functionallity of the knife, I don't mind it.
 
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