Unbreakable material

Exactly, a light saber. lol. How much weight can it hold laterally. Not the saber, but say a 1/4 inch thick knife from liquid metal. If it can go over 2 tons then I will accept because I heard an airkat can hold 1600 kilograms. Ain`t that like 3800 pounds??????
 
Probably the strongest and hardest material would be if someone could develope a matrix formed by carbon nanotubes (Bucky tubes). I believe they were brought about as a biproduct during the discovery/production of carbon 60 molecules (Bucky balls). Even if they, or C36 (Sticky balls) don't eventually produce it, I'd imagine something along those lines of a pure carbon molecule able to lace together without fracture points (possibly with a seperate binding element) will yield an uber-material in the future.

-MJ
 
UGA Dawg said:
Exactly, a light saber. lol. How much weight can it hold laterally. Not the saber, but say a 1/4 inch thick knife from liquid metal. If it can go over 2 tons then I will accept because I heard an airkat can hold 1600 kilograms. Ain`t that like 3800 pounds??????
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The airkat is a rigid peice. Special cross section, thick blade. Meant to be very stiff and work as a pry bar. It won't bend easily, but it won't bend very far without breaking either.
Liquid metal may not take as much load to bend, but it will bend a long ways and come right back straight as new. 2 completely different animals. You have to decide what you consider a strong/unbreakable knife and find one to fit those perameters.
 
Is MJHofbauer talking about metal?????? Whats all this about sticky balls and bucky balls and able to lace together without fracture points???? Can you say it more , uh, understandable I guess for us less smart people???? Matt Shade, you sound like you know a thing or 2 abut airkats. Do you own any??? Theres some talk about that those are mall ninja knives. No offense, to you or airkat, but those knves are pretty dang ugly, they better make u for that ugliness in the field with peformance.
 
Airkat
Looks different but could you slice a Watermellon...or have to chop/pry it open?
Where is the point of diminishing returns?
When does it stop being a usefull tool and start being an EGO booster?
THINK NANO technology UGA Dawg
 
UGA Dawg said:
Is MJHofbauer talking about metal?????? Whats all this about sticky balls and bucky balls and able to lace together without fracture points???? Can you say it more , uh, understandable I guess for us less smart people???? Matt Shade, you sound like you know a thing or 2 abut airkats. Do you own any??? Theres some talk about that those are mall ninja knives. No offense, to you or airkat, but those knves are pretty dang ugly, they better make u for that ugliness in the field with peformance.
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I don't have an airkat, they don't really appeal to me. I'm not into the sharpened pry bar thing all that much.
I couldn't say for certain, but I think the layout of all the different bevels on the blade is designed to make the blade stiffer/stronger. They form a little bit of a fuller to make it more rigid (think of an I-beam) while getting rid of a little weight and thinning the peice down. Coupling that with a high strength steel and proper heat treating and you have a very rigid peice that will suppoort a large side load. It doesn't make them perform any better as a cutting tool though and thats what I look for in a knife.
 
UGA Dawg said:
Is MJHofbauer talking about metal?????? Whats all this about sticky balls and bucky balls and able to lace together without fracture points???? Can you say it more , uh, understandable I guess for us less smart people???? Matt Shade, you sound like you know a thing or 2 abut airkats. Do you own any??? Theres some talk about that those are mall ninja knives. No offense, to you or airkat, but those knves are pretty dang ugly, they better make u for that ugliness in the field with peformance.
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Hey to add on to that, would carbon fiber make a good knife?? I here its light as all get out, but never heard if anybody uses it on knives. Matt Shade, I`m not asking for an unbreakable knife,(although it would be nice to have) as someone mentioned earlier, you wouldn`t be able to grind it. I just started this thread simply because I wanted to see if anyone knew if man has advanced enough to make some type of material close to unbreakable. Again, whats up with sticky balls and bucky balls and all that??? Does that lace together without fracture points mean it won`t fracture or what???? Do any of yall know about this stuff????
 
The topic had went towards the way of unobtanium (think about it) and just chimed in a possible future product. It's not impossible but pretty unlikely that any of what I said will develope in the near future. Some practical usages are being developed for carbon nanotubes though. To put it in plain english, you know carbon is an element, things are made up from various elements bonded together. Graphite and Diamonds are(were) the only two known pure carbon molecules. Since diamonds have been universally accepted as being the hardest known material it stands to reason that if you could develope a pure carbon material that wouldn't cleave like a diamond, you could have that hardness in something manufacturable into a blade, or building material. Just think of carbon fiber, which is related to graphite. The question was of something unbreakable, or as close to it as you can get in this universe. That would be where I think future science could develope a product that could (as closely as possible) match your description and there are new carbon molecules recently discovered which could lead to that (Buckyballs, tubes, and stickyballs).

I guess the most indestructable material in the universe would probably be something in a Neutron star, but I refrained from going that route, as if it were even feasibly possible to make a blade out of it, anything that came within its gravitational pull (like a planet) would be crushed. <A neutron star is a collapsed star, just short on mass of imploding and forming a black hole> I'll probably get corrected on a dozen points by someone more knowledgable, but those are just my opinions ;) -MJ
 
I heard that if you made steel one giant crystal it would be unbreakable. Am I right?????
 
wot about kryptonite? Cannon shells bounce off Superman but a bit of kryptonite reduces him to a blob of jello.
Okay moderators, i'm leaving..... :foot:
 
A crystal is breakable.Atoms form into lattice structures (crystals).The atomic/molecular bonds that form to hold the lattice together can be weak (graphite) or strong (diamond) but they all can be broken.
That aside,Dawg is on the right track for blade purposes.The better the structure of the metal,the stronger.Steel is an alloy,and has no crystal.The structures that form in steel give it the benefits of the molecular bonds,and reduce the disadvantages of the crystals weaknesses (oversimplified).When the entire structure is uniform (good HT) the steel is strong.Dendritic steels take advantage of this.
 
Stacy, metals have metallic bonds not molecular bonds !!!Metals are crystalline !!!...The development of carbon nanotubes is rapid. They now have discovered a way to make transistors and sheet from it. The sheet is made very quickly and easily so commercial applications should appear soon.
 
thanks mete,as I said I over simplified that statement(refering to all crystals in general).Yes,metals are crystaline,I was refering to the posibility of growing a single crystal of a steel alloy.
 
LM1 is perfectly safe, it is working with the vanadium in S30V and Titanium that has made me sick. Still not over it yet.

But LM1 will break if bent over a sharp edge such as a vise. It generally breaks at 29-31 degrees. But it flexes to over 180 degrees if the force is spread out over the entire piece. And yes, I am the only maker who is currently working with the material.
 
I had a customer once ask me if I could make him a sword of an unbreakable steel that would cut through anything. I told him no. He said "you mean you won't." Isaid " no, I can't." he followed me around for two hours, asking me the same thing over and over. I finally told him I was no mage and he went away. This was no kid either, A man of fourty or so. The light saber is a good choice and whatever wolverines claws are made of. There are a few sci-fi wriers that have explored the issue with some sucess. I have my own thoughts and I do follow some of the scientific advances with hope. But at this time and in the near future I think the material will remain in the realms of fiction.
 
You will have to call Jason Knight 843-462-7217 if you want a light saber. The blue ones are alot more expensive than the red...LOL...Ed
 
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