underage in michigain

[SR_matt]

The only "rights" that are age-dependant (as far as I can tell), are the right to vote (18 years), the right to enlist in the armed forces without parental approval (18 years), the right to sign a binding contract (18 years) and the right to get married without parental consent (18 years). 18-year-olds have the right to purchase certain categories of firearms as well (rifles, shotguns, muzzleloaders and ammunition). You must be 21 to legally consume alcoholic beverages or to purchase a handgun. I will not even touch the subject of drivers' licenses, since driving is not a right but a privilege. Carrying a knife or other weapon in schools and public buildings is prohibited for everyone, not just young people. Carrying a knife on the street? Like I said, if the knife is legal, anyone can carry it. If illegal, age will not play a factor. The only difference would be in the venue for prosecution (juvenile court vs. adult court).

the argument the an LEO can make is that it is a weapon, and legally you must be 18 to carry a "Weapon" given the whole "weapon" thing can be debated on the knife side and then argued on what really is a "weapon" but that is the legal justification that will be very hard to argue out of if the LEO wants to be a prick

-matt

 

[TOM1960]

the argument the an LEO can make is that it is a weapon, and legally you must be 18 to carry a "Weapon" given the whole "weapon" thing can be debated on the knife side and then argued on what really is a "weapon" but that is the legal justification that will be very hard to argue out of if the LEO wants to be a prick

-matt

A civil suit asking for a large monetary settlement against the cop and his department for false arrest and/or discrimination will cause that "prick" to deflate and become as flaccid and limp as a wet noodle. Police chiefs do not like to have their departments sued and the resulting negative media coverage that goes along with it. I personally know one very aggressive female contingency-fee attorney who would be more than happy to take on such a case. I live in a very weapons-unfriendly state (Massachusetts) and the only age-dependent weapons laws that we have are for firearms. You must be 18 to possess an air gun, 18 to apply for a Firearms Identification Card (FID) without parental permission and 21 to apply for a License to Carry Firearms (Class A or B; covers handguns and large-capacity semi-auto rifles or shotguns. FID only covers non-large-capacity rifles and shotguns). Pepper spray/Mace requires either an FID or LTC, since it is considered to be ammunition under state law. Knives? Although some dealers will not sell to anyone under 18, they are legal to possess by anyone except on school property. Unless a state has a law specifically forbidding anyone under 18 from possessing or carrying an otherwise legal knife, any LEO who decides to practice age discrimination is treading on some very thin ice and inviting a huge lawsuit if he/she decides to take it to the next level and make an arrest for such possession or carrying. Cops think that they are little gods, but a huge civil suit and judgment against them and their department can, and has, taken the wind out of their sails on more than one occasion. BTW, a EDC knife is always a tool, never a "weapon". This is the definition that we should all use on the street and (hopefully, it will never get that far) in the courtroom.

 

[Geoman888]

Just be careful and don't bring a knife to school. It is so much different now than it was even when I was in school. I nearly always had some sort of blade on me (rarely more than a small SAK), but sometimes I would carry my Kershaw onion. Many of my teachers knew I had a knife, and would often ask to borrow it for things (my leatherman micra made many a last minute pre-concert insturment repair), but I was the type of person who they knew they could trust with a knife.

So all in all, be the kind of person than can be seen as trustworthy to carry a blade, but I wouldn't carry at school. If you do this, and don't carry anything ridiculous or do anything ridiculous you probably won't have any problems.

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True that. I got suspended for carrying a lm micra that a broke the blade off. Talk about paranoia...

 

[SR_matt]

A civil suit asking for a large monetary settlement against the cop and his department for false arrest and/or discrimination will cause that "prick" to deflate and become as flaccid and limp as a wet noodle. Police chiefs do not like to have their departments sued and the resulting negative media coverage that goes along with it. I personally know one very aggressive female contingency-fee attorney who would be more than happy to take on such a case. I live in a very weapons-unfriendly state (Massachusetts) and the only age-dependent weapons laws that we have are for firearms. You must be 18 to possess an air gun, 18 to apply for a Firearms Identification Card (FID) without parental permission and 21 to apply for a License to Carry Firearms (Class A or B; covers handguns and large-capacity semi-auto rifles or shotguns. FID only covers non-large-capacity rifles and shotguns). Pepper spray/Mace requires either an FID or LTC, since it is considered to be ammunition under state law. Knives? Although some dealers will not sell to anyone under 18, they are legal to possess by anyone except on school property. Unless a state has a law specifically forbidding anyone under 18 from possessing or carrying an otherwise legal knife, any LEO who decides to practice age discrimination is treading on some very thin ice and inviting a huge lawsuit if he/she decides to take it to the next level and make an arrest for such possession or carrying. Cops think that they are little gods, but a huge civil suit and judgment against them and their department can, and has, taken the wind out of their sails on more than one occasion. BTW, a EDC knife is always a tool, never a "weapon". This is the definition that we should all use on the street and (hopefully, it will never get that far) in the courtroom.

see the issue is when you come to the letter of the law, no matter the intended use, the law sees (or can see) a knife as a weapon, even though 99% of the knives carried are not carried as weapons the letter of the law makes them all weapons. while most LEOs will not say boo to a minor carrying a small pocket knife but if they want to be a prick a lawsuit wont so anything about it because the way the laws are written. just because most places dont care if a minor carries a knife doesnt make it legal, just like it doesnt make it legal to go 5 mph over the speed limit just because no cop will pull you over for it, it still is illegal, just not enforced

-matt