Underwhelmed by iPad 2 Announcement?

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I am. It's a little lighter, a little thinner, a little faster. Why all the big hoopla? Sounds like they didn't talk about whether the speakers were better. Same price, same storage, same screen. Boring.
 
Hmm, 2x as fast and graphics are 9x faster, thinner, with the same battery life. Two cameras, HDMI out, will allow streaming from iTunes to it - SAME PRICE.

3G model works on AT&T and Verizon.

What else would you want it to do that any other tablets can do?

Oh, and there is the 65,000 apps available for it.

The only thing I would have liked to see is a higher res screen. I have the 64GB and never use all of it. Most people get along with the 16Gb just fine.

Just saying I thought it addressed most of the missing features from the original.
 
There is supposed to be another version with retina display and possibly a USB port. This one will come out around October.

The version just announced was just the mid cycle refresh.
 
It seems like a very minor evolutionary step, but failed to impress me. It was almost not worth mentioning.
 
Apple had to put a rush on their dual core tablet if they wanted to remain in the same league (performance wise) as the upcoming Honeycomb tablets from Samsung/LG/Motorola/Asus/ etc. The android tablets will still have slightly better hardware for the most part, but people who buy apple care more about the simplicity and reliability of iOS and the perceived prestige factor associated with the apple logo. In my experience, the android market and apple app store carry a lot of the same or simmilar apps, which makes sense because the companies that make them practically double their profits with little additional effort.
 
I prefer Android myself. Apple is all about the sheep following the herd. I'm not one to follow the herd.
 
My beef with the Android OS is all the different flavors. How come less than 0.4% have the latest OS, while 90%+ of iOS users have the latest software. The cell companies restrict the updates because they want to sell you the latest phone with the newest software. http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/

While the upcoming tablets may have similar specs the real question is how will they perform. iOS is a more mature OS and it shows. I'm underwhelmed by the Android offerings currently available.

That all said, I don't feel a pressing need to upgrade my iPad in the near future.
 
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My beef with the Android OS is all the different flavors. How come less than 0.4% have the latest OS, while 90%+ of iOS users have the latest software.

That's certainly the truth. Part of the problem with previous Android versions was that there was no standard hardware configurations. With so many companies making android devices it was impossible to standardize the features and capabilities of all those products. Subsequently, new versions of the OS were not supported by many of the outdated phones (even if they were only a month old) because they didn't have the necessary hardware specs/features to utilize the newest version of Android to its full potential, or because the companies who made the phones never intended for them to be updated in the first place.

Because Apple makes only 1 phone (with multiple generations), it is much easier for them to stay on the same page, but Apple's fascist control over the products they sell sickens me. They treat their customers like sheep, deciding what apps you can have, what file types your device can run, and how much you will pay for the privilege. Their ridiculous Apple Stores are like some sort of dystopian cult hangout where you sign into the computer and wait for someone from their Genius Bar (read: pseudo-intellectual former male cheerleader) to bring you a cup of arsenic laced cool-aid (in the form of an outrageous receipt). (( Keep politics in the Political Arena! ))
 
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Can it survive being dropped from any reasonable height? Most (maybe all in today's world) laptops can easily do a few feet.
 
I prefer Android myself. Apple is all about the sheep following the herd. I'm not one to follow the herd.
Yes indeed. The Android following the Apple. See quote and source below.

asymco said:
Android is a fast follower. The first Android prototypes looked like Blackberries because that was the input paradigm of 2006. When capacitive touch was shown to be a better input method, Android reacted swiftly. When app stores created a new medium Android reacted swiftly. When the iPad demonstrated that computing can be done in new settings, Android reacted. At such time when there will be nothing to follow Android will be the king of the last commoditized innovation, but as long as there is something worth inventing Android will be there to reproduce it.

Source: http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/two-turkeys-dont-make-an-eagle-but-no-penguin-will-ever-soar/

I would love to treat Android as a serious contender, but in my experience the Android Market suffers from a dearth of apps, especially high quality apps and games. With the tablet Android Market the problem increases exponentially due to the wide range of screen sizes and resolutions, as well as Android tablets being a whole year behind. The actual Android OS has a lot of great features and some clever design decisions that I'd like to see adopted in iOS but the lack of apps really hurts.

That's certainly the truth. Part of the problem with previous Android versions was that there was no standard hardware configurations. With so many companies making android devices it was impossible to standardize the features and capabilities of all those products. Subsequently, new versions of the OS were not supported by many of the outdated phones (even if they were only a month old) because they didn't have the necessary hardware specs/features to utilize the newest version of Android to its full potential, or because the companies who made the phones never intended for them to be updated in the first place.

End result being that most Android buyers are left with a phone that is considered "obsolete" by hardware manufacturer or carrier mere months after purchase. If you sign a two year contract with a phone, shouldn't it be reasonable to expect full service for those two years? You make excuses for Android's fragmentation but fail to recognize the major drawbacks it means for the user.


(( Keep politics in the Political Arena! ))

Back to the iPad:

From a hardware standpoint this is a very big jump. On paper it doesn't sound like a lot but when developers start making use of the extra power we'll be seeing some substantial improvements.

Right now, the iPad 2 can be considered a good bit more powerful than the last generation of consoles: PS2 and XBOX. It is also more powerful than the NGP (PSP successor) and 3DS. I wouldn't even be surprised if games that dropped support for the original iPad (making them iPad2 only) could reach PS3 or X360 levels of graphics.
 
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:jerk it:

Nice jerkit smiley. Guess you're one of the Apple flock. Bah bah <---sound of sheep.

To your jerkit smiley, I raise you a :thumbdn: .


To the guy saying Android is following Apple, you misunderstood my reply. I was talking about the fanboys that follow Apple (case in point, guy above with the jerkit smiley). Whether Android is copying Apple is not relevant. In this day and age, what company isn't copying another?

Regarding apps: People place too much emphasis on apps. How many freaking apps does one need? I'm sure both stores have enough apps for what everyone needs. Whether one side has 5 billion and the other side has 1 million shouldn't be a concern (those numbers were arbitrary). It'd be interesting to see the average number of apps a user has on either device. Personally, I keep my phone as barebones as I can. I have only the apps that are essential to my needs. Beyond that, I don't need everything and the kitchen sink.

Games...yea I can see that argument. I'll give you that one.

Also, you say Androids become obsolete in a few months. Heck, last I checked it was Apple that churned out products like no ones business. The iPad is what? 10 months old? The iPad2 is such a HUGE upgrade from the first iPad! (sarcasm for you dense people). The rumor says a third iPad will come out in October with a higher resolution.

There's a term for that that I once learned in an economics class, that I don't recall right now. It's where a company pushes out a products with little upgrades just so the company can continue releasing "revised" editions because people WILL buy them. If that's fine for people, more power to them.

I think I'll stick with Android.
 
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Apple have ruined the physical accessories market. Its very hard to find cases and other such needful things for handsets that arent carrying the apple or that other fruity logo. :grumpy

I would love to treat Android as a serious contender, but in my experience the Android Market suffers from a dearth of apps, especially high quality apps and games. With the tablet Android Market the problem increases exponentially due to the wide range of screen sizes and resolutions, as well as Android tablets being a whole year behind. The actual Android OS has a lot of great features and some clever design decisions that I'd like to see adopted in iOS but the lack of apps really hurts.

Apps are like cases lanyards and all that jazz, they are aftermarket digital accessories, why buy a handset because the same store sells a shiney twinkly pink lanyard for it?

Madness.
 
Also, you say Androids become obsolete in a few months. Heck, last I checked it was Apple that churned out products like no ones business. The iPad is what? 10 months old?
I'd like you to note that there is one new model of iPhone per year and one new model of iPad per year. That's a far cry from the dozens of Android phones to hit the market every year, if not every month. If I missed your point then you missed mine as well: Android manufacturers and carriers tend not to support handset models past the first few months.
Source: http://blogs.computerworld.com/17649/android_upgrades

On the other hand, Apple extends full software support to phones for two years: the original iPhone was fully supported all the way to iOS 3.x and the iPhone 3G is still being supported today in iOS 4.x (although phased out). Meanwhile the iPhone 3GS will have full software support until the iPhone 5 comes out (two years since the 3GS' release).

That means:
iPhone 2G was fully supported until the 3GS
iPhone 3G was fully supported until the 4
iPhone 3GS will be fully supported until the 5
iPhone 4 will be fully supported until the 6

See a pattern here?

Meanwhile, Android manufacturers struggle to, or do not care to, support their customers with OS upgrades. Yes, you can root your phone and install one of 3rd party firmwares, like Cyanogen, but is it too much to ask a manufacturer/carrier to support your phone for the life of the contract that nearly everyone signs when they buy one? (two years)

Regarding apps: People place too much emphasis on apps. How many freaking apps does one need?

If I want, for instance, to watch Netflix on my smartphone, will Android let me do this?

I could list off plenty of apps that iOS users such as myself might want that Android doesn't have. What matters is that if I want or need to use an app, and it's not there, that's an inconvenience to me as a user. It doesn't matter how many OTHER great apps there are, as long as the one I want is there. And when it comes down to getting that specific app you really need for iOS or Android, Android usually gets the short end of the stick. It's a sad truth.

By the way, what if Aunt Ruth goes to the Verizon store to buy herself "one of these newfangled smartphones" to "see what these upset avians are all about" and then wants to know why Angry Birds doesn't work on her brand new LG Ally? What do you tell her?

Users shouldn't have to worry that what they're installing is going to be a privacy or security risk either: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...your-phone-steal-your-data-and-open-backdoor/

Apps are like cases lanyards and all that jazz, they are aftermarket digital accessories, why buy a handset because the same store sells a shiney twinkly pink lanyard for it?

Many, but not all people buy these new smartphones, or app-phones as some call them, buy them on the premise that they will be able to use these apps. If you don't "get it," then more power to you and more money in your wallet. But some of us use these "trinkets" every day and find they help technology to enhance our lives.

Not too long ago, I used an app to find a bar with over 40 different drafts on tap when I was visiting a friend in an unknown city. Without that app, it's a bit hard to find a treasure like that in a city you're spending a weekend in.

I could provide more examples, but I think plenty of others can attest to their usefulness.
 
Personally, I think apple could have very well included some of the new features when they came out with the original iPad. Some of the new hardware upgrades are cool but, why only come out with one iPad when they can double their money with a second iPad?

No bashing on Apple or Android (though I haven't played around with anything other than Android phones) but I think it was just a really smart business move - I am sure they knew some of the limitations of the original and had planned to push out more of them from the beginning.

Hey, if the iPad ever comes down to my college budget price range, maybe I'll finally get one...
 
To the guy saying Android is following Apple, you misunderstood my reply. I was talking about the fanboys that follow Apple (case in point, guy above with the jerkit smiley). Whether Android is copying Apple is not relevant. In this day and age, what company isn't copying another?

Apple is definitely not doing the copying.
 
Nice jerkit smiley. Guess you're one of the Apple flock. Bah bah <---sound of sheep.

To your jerkit smiley, I raise you a :thumbdn: .


To the guy saying Android is following Apple, you misunderstood my reply. I was talking about the fanboys that follow Apple (case in point, guy above with the jerkit smiley). Whether Android is copying Apple is not relevant. In this day and age, what company isn't copying another?

Regarding apps: People place too much emphasis on apps. How many freaking apps does one need? I'm sure both stores have enough apps for what everyone needs. Whether one side has 5 billion and the other side has 1 million shouldn't be a concern (those numbers were arbitrary). It'd be interesting to see the average number of apps a user has on either device. Personally, I keep my phone as barebones as I can. I have only the apps that are essential to my needs. Beyond that, I don't need everything and the kitchen sink.

Games...yea I can see that argument. I'll give you that one.

Also, you say Androids become obsolete in a few months. Heck, last I checked it was Apple that churned out products like no ones business. The iPad is what? 10 months old? The iPad2 is such a HUGE upgrade from the first iPad! (sarcasm for you dense people). The rumor says a third iPad will come out in October with a higher resolution.

There's a term for that that I once learned in an economics class, that I don't recall right now. It's where a company pushes out a products with little upgrades just so the company can continue releasing "revised" editions because people WILL buy them. If that's fine for people, more power to them.

I think I'll stick with Android.

Not at all amigo.

I have an iPhone but that's about it. I'm pretty pleased with its performance and the iPads I've checked out seem pretty cool. Imagine that this tech wasn't available 10 years ago?

My emoticon was aimed at your pompous attitude towards people that buy Apple products. I don't feel that's a good enough reason to dislike them.

If you like some piece of tech, buy it. It will be obsolete in 6 months.

Take care.
 
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Android vs. iPhone sounds just like the PC vs. Mac religious wars that have gone about forever. After using company supplied Windows laptops for the better part of 20 years I switched to a Macbook (that I paid for myself) and I won't be going back anytime soon.

I also recently got an iPad. And then an iPhone. Strangely, these Apple gadgets work, and work together. Go figure. I'll pass on the Android.

Oh... and then there's this:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/2006450/virus_found_in_some_android_market_apps/

Because we all need another platform to propagate malware. As the article states, the Android system's open architecture is a double-edged sword, but most Android users have no idea what can happen.

To each their own, but I'm liking the Apple stuff.

SP
 
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