Uneven Bevels On TSProf

cbwx34 I highly recommend the Ontario Rat the AUS-8 steel is not as bad as everyone say's it is and they are only 36 bucks as a starting price and they flip open really fast and nice and mine even flip's faster and better then some of my more expensive knive's,they are also a full face grind from the spine to the edge and the thickness tapers from one end to the other on the spine.

They are a good knife to keep in your car and if it get's damaged or lost it's no big deal for that price.
 
Kirk.D I have had problems with my KME before as well when sharpening near the Ricasso and where it would get messed up and this is what I have done sometimes to work around this problem and it may not work on every knife.

Most people think they either need to clamp the blade close to Ricasso or in the middle of the knife and that is not true,what I have done is clamp a bit further towards the tip of the knife but not to a great extreme,and the other thing you can try is putting the knife in the clamp's on a bit of angle that match's the Ricasso again not to extreme of an angle.When you clamp more towards the tip it help's the angle you want to match not be so choked up is the best way I can describe it,just try this with your Spyderco and see if you can match the angles,my Manix 2 has just made it into Canada and is now in custom's and when I get it I will clamp it in and see what I can come with,I may not get it until the end of this week or into next depending on custom's.

I know what everyone is thinking oh no you can't put the knife in on angle if you stop and think about why not.If you clamp a blade into the clamp straight and in the center of the blade the angle closer to the Ricasso and tip will be off just a bit from the center of the knife,now if you do have to put the blade in at an angle to match the Ricasso or clamp it off center a bit it should not matter so long as you do not go to any kind of extreme on a shorter knife as it's on longer knives the angle will change more as you sharpen towards the tip and Ricasso more.

Also when trying to sharpen the very tip of any knife you may see where the stone just does not want to do as good of a job in that area all you need to do is to add a bit of pressure on the side of the stone that if facing the tip,your not really wanting to lift the stone just add more pressure to the side of the stone that's closest to the tip.

You may also find that when sharpening a knife like an Ontario Rat for example the in the rounded part of the blade as it goes from flat and straight and the blade start's rounding up into the tip,what you may find as well that in center or anywhere for that matter where the blade start's to curve or anywhere threw out the curve the stone may appear to miss a spot,again just add more pressure on the side of the stone that's facing the tip and work your way towards the tip in the small area.
 
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How to align single clamp for even bevels from "Turning Clamp angle calibration" pages 24 - 29 in K02 TSProf User's Manual in English

All buyers of the K02 should have received a User's Manual. To avoid the problems described in this thread please perform the calibration in the PDF file I have attached.
 

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How to avoid ruining your valuable blade with uneven bevels.

After making sure that the clamps you are using are adjusted to be at the same angle when rotated, it's still important to make sure that you have clamped your blade evenly and securely in your clamps. There is only one way that I know of to make sure the bevels will be even and that is to first mark both existing bevels with a Sharpie or other marker. Using a fine grit stone in the stone holder (1000 grit), make a stroke on one side of the blade, rotate the blade and make a stroke on the other side of the blade. If the cleaned off area removed by the stone is not the same on both sides, please, please do not grind the blade. Adjust the blade in the clamps until you are satisfied with where the material will be removed along the length of the blade and on each side. Finally, make sure all the screws are tight (don't over tighten though) and that the guide rod pedestal is tight and does not wobble. Only when everything is aligned and tightened is it okay to go to the coarsest stone and remove precious blade material.

I hope this helps and isn't too pedantic.
George

P.S. A properly adjusted K02 (that hasn't been damaged somehow) makes beautiful bevels and super sharp edges.
 
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Thanks so much everyone for the in-depth information. I agree that the single clamp is not a good choice for a Spyderco. Although, I have found that shimming the thinner part of the spine to match the thicker part has shown improvement on the angle cube anyway. The double clamps work better but are limited with lower bevels on some knives.
Bladegunner: My ruined blades look about like yours. Thanks for the pics.
WADE: Thanks for sharing what is obviously a lot of trial and error on your part. I will put your findings to the test, actually am looking forward to it.
This is my first guided system and although, have jacked up a couple of blades, have produced a few really nice ones during the learning process. Unfortunately, all the good ones have been lower end knives(of course).
I happen to have a RAT 1 in D2 which, with all this great info, I'm ready to give it a shot.

STATES: I did the entire alignment peer the TSPROF instructions but will do it again to be sure.
Thanks,
Kirk
 
That can happen even if the system is 100% accurate. If the primary grind has a distal taper and you reset the edge to a lower angle, it can dig into the primary just above the plunge line. The edges of the choil/sharpening notch will also tend to be ground.

This is a drawback to guided systems or very accurate freehand - greater accuracy reveals any flaws, warps or other issues with the primary grind. Although freehand is much more capable of dealing with the plunge line issue.

This is very common on thicker bladed tactical folders, the fix is to regrind the primary or do not grind more than a few degrees more acute than the factory edge. Or live with it and appreciate the better performance.
 
HeavyHanded:
You were on the money with this one. That is exactly what happened with two Spyderco PM 2's. So I'm kinda thinking it is not the TSPROF's fault, User error for sure. Just want to give a big THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge which is hard to come by for a rookie with a brand new expensive sharpener. For what I spent, figured I could just set the knife on the machine, come back later and it would be perfectly sharpened

So how do I avoid another divot in my bevel? I will assume not to take off a full 5 degrees at one time and to do it more gradually.
BTW, The Rat 1 in D2 was a success. I did 32° inclusive polished bevel which is darn close to even from tip to heel. Need some recommendations on the micro bevel as I don't know much about D2.

Thanks again all for the help. I can see where this knife sharpening can become addictive.
Kirk
 
HeavyHanded:
You were on the money with this one. That is exactly what happened with two Spyderco PM 2's. So I'm kinda thinking it is not the TSPROF's fault, User error for sure. Just want to give a big THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge which is hard to come by for a rookie with a brand new expensive sharpener. For what I spent, figured I could just set the knife on the machine, come back later and it would be perfectly sharpened

So how do I avoid another divot in my bevel? I will assume not to take off a full 5 degrees at one time and to do it more gradually.
BTW, The Rat 1 in D2 was a success. I did 32° inclusive polished bevel which is darn close to even from tip to heel. Need some recommendations on the micro bevel as I don't know much about D2.

Thanks again all for the help. I can see where this knife sharpening can become addictive.
Kirk

Another possible fix is to cant the blade so the heel is closest to the pivot mast and set the angle cube to the heel with a conservative angle compared to the factory settings. This should result in the edge becoming more acute as it goes toward the belly, and into the belly and tip it should widen a small amount again. The downside is the angle will not be consistent stem to stern, but it will LOOK consistent.
 
I used to collect knives back in the 90s at which time I used a Lansky. I recall how upset I was when I tried to sharpen the Randall #14 freehand and let's say, I did not do a particularly good job. I am a physician by trade and consider myself a detail oriented guy, and I was rather upset by the mess I made of the Randall. I sent it back to them and they were able to restore it without a problem.

I think there are several issues here. First of all, let's remember that a lot of people here seek to sharpen a knife in a particular manner that quite frankly, I do not think a knife was ever intended to have. That is to say, simply put, a the purpose of a knife is to cut something. From a practical standpoint, having an edge polished to gleam in the sun in my humble opinion does not really do anything for the knife except make it look nice to those who like them that way. In fact, I have read both on the Forum here and elsewhere, that certainly for powdered steels, a blade cuts better when it is toothy and left at something like 400 to maybe 600 or so grit. It also depends upon what you want to cut and for how long you want your edge to last. There are also certainly a lot of different opinions on this subject.

The next issue is that of course knives come in all shapes, sizes, and blade types which do not present a problem when they are sharpened in the manner that has been done for ages, that is freehand. I was never particularly good at this but with practice, I have been getting better and I have done exactly what others have suggested...sharpen inexpensive folders like the Rat. I have both the big and smaller ones and have tortured them with stones and diamonds!

I have a Worksharp guided system which has been very helpful in terms of giving me a very good feeling for proper bevels, angles, etc. In fact I have become very good at it and can consistently get a knife to cut very think paper like you find in a phone book or shave the hair on the back of my arm. Yet I noticed something interesting with my ZT Hinderer 0562 CF. The edges on each side of the blade do not look like they are exactly the same angle despite having had the same number of passes. I think that it is not me or the Worksharp but something inherent in the knife blade. Despite this, I can get the blade sharp enough to cut as I have described.

With the Worksharp there is also an issue with different types of knives. When I have a flat surface like on the ZT I use that as my reference for the 17 or 20 degree angle on the guided system. However, what to do with the paramilitary and military that I have....they are straight V grinds....there is no horizontal flat surface...not an issue if you sharpen free hand but it is with the Worksharp guided system and I can see the problem with any guided system with clamps including the TSProf.

The bottom line is that the sharpening systems are tools. They are not fool or idiot proof. You have to know something about what you are doing to use them correctly and a lot of it is by trial and error. I consider myself something of a Renaissance guy who likes to take on projects involving information that I have no experience with. I pay a price for this in terms of the amount of time it takes to learn and the fact that I make mistakes. I do my own electronics work and some auto repair work...both certainly out of line with my professional training.

So, again, the problem is not with the TSProf. We need to learn how to use any new system.

I have to give Paul a lot of credit for working to sell his product here in the US. Yes, it would be helpful to have some videos. I would like to help myself and if possible, my wife who speaks Russian will help me to get some of the existing videos translated.

I received my TSProf system but have not used it yet. I have been scratching my head trying to think how I will sharpen the Spydercos with it but I suspect that there are enough smart people here that with a group effort we can figure these things out.....and....we can help Paul iron out any kinks.
 
Andrew:
Thanks for your insight and you are correct concerning the TSPROF system. The MANY mistakes I have made were lack of knowledge in using the TSPROF properly.
Through emailing Paul, he shared that the TSPROF had issues with PM steels and had to be set up a certain way. I have to disagree in that it is not the PM steels but, in my situation, the geometry of the Spyderco PM 2. I have successfully sharpened many knives of different steels and blade shapes with excellent results. Although I have ruined two PM 2's with gouges just in front of the ricosso.
I spoke with George about my issue and he was very helpful. I, as with all blades was attempting to get a burr from tip to heel. George suggested to not attempt a burr at the heel of the PM2 blade. I have yet to attempt another PM 2 but at least have a plan when I get the nerve to do so.
IMO the TSPROF is somewhat of a fickle machine with lots of adjusting to get a nice, even bevel on both sides. Although, I will say that any knife with a sharpening choil has been no problem with excellent results.

I am still learning and will continue to, just don't want to ruin anymore knives in the process. These lessons are proving to be EXPENSIVE!!
Paul sent a YouTube of a Russian sharpening a Spyderco Military which was helpful but I do not speak Russian. Paul has promised to make YouTube's in English addressing some of the issues concerning the TSPROF. IMO, with the TSPROF being marketed in the states for a good while, this information is long overdue.
 
Thanks for all the info and advise guys. Maybe I was just lucky, but I sharpened my Spyderco fluted Military "my favorite knife", and got stellar results. It look very even and is beautifully polished. With the full flat grind, it did take me a good bit longer to get it clamped correctly. I just kept making adjustments until I got the clamp to sit flat against both sides of the blade. Be patient, it can take a while in the beginning until you get more experienced with it. I still have plenty to learn.
 
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