Unexpected great survival movie

I see many of you are somewhat confused. This movie, be it historically acurate or pure fantasy, was rubbish. You can't shoot a movie without a real story written by experienced storywriter. Just like aforementioned The Passion of the Christ is another example of a movie where storywriter weren't present. If you try you end up with something like these. :barf:

Do not judge what is not present in the movie, judge the movie :p

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I`ve seen this movie too, and i have no difficulty in saying that i liked it.
I`ve also read alot of the negative hype that Apocalypto has received from different fields.
And i`ve just got one comment about it.
It was never meant to be a documentary, it`s an action/adventure/drama movie.
Treat it as such.
 
I loved the story:confused: as did my wife, my son, and everyone that watched it with me at work.

Huugh, tell me a truly good movie written by a experienced storywriter so I can educate myself. Chris

De Palma's Scarface for a start.
 
It was never meant to be a documentary, it`s an action/adventure/drama movie.
Treat it as such.

Good thinking.

My problem with that is, Gibson said it was about the Maya, and it isn't. It's about a generic, fictionalized adventure, as presented to 21st century movie-goers. He could have used a made-up name for the civilization he pictured.

Anyway, Archaeology magazine had a critique of the work, and an abstract is available online at http://www.archaeology.org/0703/abstracts/maya.html with a couple of other links at the end.
 
I had no idea that there were still Mayans struggling against prejudice and opression. I also did not know that this movie could worsen their plight. I guess before I post about a movie I enjoyed I really should investigate it's socio economic ramifications and impact on whatever ethnic, gender or religious peoples represented in the movie.

Oh well, I learn something new everyday, I thought it was just a made up story based loosely on a culture that didn't exist anymore. Lord forbid if they make another one,then it will not only hurt the Mayan cause but possibly show the Spanairds as cruel, insensitive, savages using their religion as a tool to conquer, rape, murder and pillage ancient civilizations.

I am going to play paintball for a couple of hours, we won't even talk about how acting out violence with guns, even guns designed to shoot at people without causing injury, leads to school shootings and gun violence in general.

Later, Chris
 
The problem is that experts on the Maya say he made up the story and misrepresented the culture. It's live comic book action, total fiction with the name of a real people and historical epoch attached for advertising purposes only.

What?!? Next you'll be telling me that 300 is supposed to be some kind of comic book action, too!

;)
 
Well, but 300 had a lot of publicity making it clear that it wasn't exactly the way things were. Gibson made a point of stressing his authenticity.
 
the sacrificial altar is not mayan in origin and they (the mayans) almost certainly did not sacrifice people in such huge numbers as shown in the movie. Women and children sold into slavery, no direct evidence of those things happening either. I think that history has taken a back seat to emotional appeal so as to elicit a certain response from the movie's viewers. This is just par for the course as far as I can tell whenever a movie deals with or claims to deal with historical events.

Its why I like books more than movies, especially when I want a history fix. Even still, I found apocalypto entertaining.
 
the sacrificial altar is not mayan in origin and they (the mayans) almost certainly did not sacrifice people in such huge numbers as shown in the movie. Women and children sold into slavery, no direct evidence of those things happening either. I think that history has taken a back seat to emotional appeal so as to elicit a certain response from the movie's viewers. This is just par for the course as far as I can tell whenever a movie deals with or claims to deal with historical events.

Its why I like books more than movies, especially when I want a history fix. Even still, I found apocalypto entertaining.

I don;t remember in the movie or in this thread, anyone saying the sacrificial alter was of Mayan design. My take is that the movies was great. It was fictional and fantastical, as evidenced by some of the battle scenes. The "body and body-part pits" seemed a little over-the-edge. However, assume for a moment that all of the persons sacrificed (children included) as evidenced by the sum collection of pictographs, lore, and archeological findings, were sacrificed in one day. I certainly wouldn;t think so BUT, if it occurred in one day, the pits of death seen in that movie would be a grand understatement. The estimates of death by sacrifice run into the tens of thousands, with no one sure of an exact number. Let's not forget there are hundreds if not thousands of scientists who have studied and are currently study the Mayan civilization alone. This isn;t Mel Gibson's thesis. It's a movie based on a real civilization featuring a main character or three.

Now, this is not what Gibson was trying to relay (at least, not in my opinion based solely on wathcing the movie). What it appeared to me he was trying to portray was strife and love: a main character who survives the odds and returns to his wife and children.

As far as there being no direct evidence of women and children sold into slavery, you may be right. We have no living witnesses to tell us it was true. Instead, we have circumstancial evidence consisiting of (again) pictographs, lore, and archeological findings. Additionally, we have history around the world (including here in America) where women and children have been sold into slavery, giving credence and plausibility to the evidentiary findings indicating it occurred on a relatively large scale in southern Mexico and Central America (Mayan tribes) [speaking about them and leaving out others only because of the topic of this thread]

I'm with you. I prefer my history to come from books, preferrably several sources. But the topic of this thread happens to be about a movie. Gibson obviously was not trying to make an historical documentary.... rather he was making an action movie. An action movie based on a very short period of time during the reign of a civilization, the overall basis of which is based n historical fact..... or at least, what scientists (archeological) believe to be fact because of the evidence compiled and currently available to them.
 
We agree except on one point, Stretch. It is the Aztec civilization that is most commonly believed to have sacrificed tens of thousands. As such, the level of bloodlust and savagery most certainly was magnfied and, really, only even dramatically representative of a short time in the history of the Mayan civilization. Like I said, its pretty common in movies and done to make a point or encite emotion without much regard for actual history.

but again, like I said before, I did enjoy the movie for what it is.
 
Not to argue so much so as to beleaguer the point, but:
while the Aztecs were indeed suspected of killing and sacrificing into the tens of thousands, make no mistake - so were the Mayans (estimates again, remember...could've been 3 thousand...we don;t know). My point is not that they did (because scientists have written that they use those numbers as an estimate based on the numbers found and the approximate period when those numbers were believed to have died, coupled with the civilization's lifespan, and also based on the period of the civilization when the Mayans were believed to be more heavily involved in human sacrifices) but rather that, while the body pits may have been exagerrated for effect, they could not hope to represent the vast numbers believed to have been killed. In other words, if someone wanted to, they could say Gibson was being kind to the Mayans by showing SO FEW in the pits.

A "short time" being relative here... relative to the age of the Mayan civilization. Yes, I do remember reading that slavery and sacrifice was not always such a gruesome makeup of their culture, but again a short time is relative. Like the fable of the man who asked God: "God, how long is a billion years?" God: ""Awhile". Man: "How much is a billion dollars?" God: "A penny". Man: "God? May I have a penny?" God: "In awhile"

The Mayans didn;t all live in one place, nor did they all sacrifice or practice slavery. There were divisions, factions, different language dialects, different jewelry, different terrains between the tribes, and on and on. To his credit, it appeared Gibson at least got that right in the movie, if nothing else.

Aztecs were a different story and a good point is to be made of you bringing that up. Point being: to any who might refute the idea of human sacrifices and slavery, another civilization no too very far from the Mayans who, again evidence shows, were at one time involved in the same things.
 
A lot of people want to automatically slam Gibson because he got drunk and said uncomplimentary things about Jews. Of course, after he did that begins the subtle criticism of virtually everything he does.

That article critiquing the movie was pretty PC in it's outlook, wanting people to focus away from the violent aspects of their culture. HOWEVER, The Mayan culture WAS violent. Good grief, they would play games while wearing the skins of human captives and they sacrificed live humans in front of cheering crowds. The movie also takes place at the time of the collapse of Mayan culture, and THAT was what the movie was advertised as being about.

In person Mel Gibson is extremely intelligent and he's also a highly skilled producer and director.
 
runningboar said:
Huugh, tell me a truly good movie written by a experienced storywriter so I can educate myself. Chris

Try 'The Snow Walker' based upon an old story Farley Mowat story 'Walk Well My Brother', starring Barry Pepper (played the sniper in 'Saving Private Ryan').

Pepper's co-star (Annabella Piugattuk) was an Inuit girl that they auditioned locally for the movie who grew up practicing the old Inuit survival skills and actually knew for real all of the stuff they showed her doing in the movie.

The story takes place in the 1950's when a Canadian bush pilot is taking a sick Inuit girl to the hospital in Yellowknife and their plane goes down in the vast Canadian tundra in late summer.
 
Try 'The Snow Walker' based upon an old story Farley Mowat story 'Walk Well My Brother', starring Barry Pepper (played the sniper in 'Saving Private Ryan').

Pepper's co-star (Annabella Piugattuk) was an Inuit girl that they auditioned locally for the movie who grew up practicing the old Inuit survival skills and actually knew for real all of the stuff they showed her doing in the movie.

The story takes place in the 1950's when a Canadian bush pilot is taking a sick Inuit girl to the hospital in Yellowknife and their plane goes down in the vast Canadian tundra in late summer.

Good post, mrostov. I love that movie. In fact, I think I have it somewhere. I'll have to check around. It's about time to watch it again.

Doc
 
I give two thumbs up for The Rabbit Fence. Reasons being: 1. True story told by the actual people portrayed therein 2. Survival Story 3. Escape & Evasion Story 4. Down-under story 5. Cute kids 6. No elephant poop involved.
 
Apocalypto was entertaining regardless of how much of it was historically correct.
 
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