Update on the 25

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I have had my Prototype Sebenza 25 for about a month now and carrying it almost every day. I love it! The thicker blade and the extra finger groove make it the sweetest CRK I own. It is a great knife and anyone that has one on order will be extremely happy when they receive it. Still haven't broken it down yet, no need to just yet. It is sharp as can be! I have been opening it a lot. It is smooth as can be and a wonderful knife. Love the double thumb stud. This knife really does take everything great from past Sebenzas and the Umnumzann. I have multiple other Sebenzas, all of them serrated, which I prefer, but leaving the house I always grab for the 25! It just feels a little nicer all the way around, and I love my 21's.2012-08-30_00-19-21_325.jpg2012-08-30_00-20-03_852.jpg


So hope this makes the wait a little easier!
 
It is great to see someone using a prototype rather than letting it die in safe. :thumbup:
 
I thought I would never see such a knife being a user. You really comprehend what Sebenza stands for.
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Almost every day. Cut lemons, sandwiches, opened boxes, plastic banding, rope....and probably quite a few other things. Ogh yeah she is a user. Funny thing, I use it almost every day, but feel bad about using my snakewood inlay.
 
Funny thing, I use it almost every day, but feel bad about using my snakewood inlay.
That's funny. It's just cool how we as knive owners get to decide which ones we use and which ones we decide to admire as art. Thanks for sharing the pics, I'll have no other option but to own one in the future.
 
I've said it before but I will say it again, I am absolutely loving the new blade shape. Also, with the removal of the locating hole, I would imagine the implemetation of inays would be even easier. I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg and I can't wait to see what develops!
 
Can't wait for my 25 to made:thumbup: and I bet you will have one of the only prototypes thats been used, pretty cool imo
 
I think the 25 will make an excellent user.

Idea!

Let's do a passaround!

Im first in line.

I will pm you my address. Lol

Ps. Really cool to see someone using a prototype. I agree that you are most likely the only one using one of those 25 that were made.
 
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Im Second ;)

I have one on order, I cant wait... A Plain Jane 25.. has a nice ring to it, dont it?

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Help me out guys, I want to be excited for this, but I'm just not. There is only one thing I like about the 25 over the 21: removing the lanyard pin/hole and attaching the lanyard to the standoff. Other than that, this is my least favorite Sebenza design to date.

-I don't like a thicker blade, I think the .125" on the 21/Regular is perfect.
-I don't like the finger grooves at all. I don't like my hand being confined to predefined grooves, and also I don't like the look.
-The handle looks to have a significantly thinner profile. This concerns me since the Large 21 fits my hand perfectly.
-The hardware looks strange. The pivot on the 21 is plenty large, none of us could ever break it if we tried. And I like how every screw on the 21 is the same.
-The blade shape is fine, almost reminiscent of the Regular, but the thumb ramp is very unattractive to me. It bulges out too much and the more aggressive file work is unnecessary and ugly.
-The ceramic ball lock face adds complexity to the knife which is heralded for simplicity. The carbidized Ti lockface was plenty strong.

Before anyone calls me a hater, the Large Sebenza is my favorite knife of all time. That is where my concern is coming from. Every iteration has been a masterpiece, until now. Help me get excited for the 25. Right now I am just mourning the inevitable death (discontinuation) of the 21.
 
Hater, no way! We all have different opinions and like certain things. There are plenty of members on here that prefer the old regulars over the 21.

As far as the pre defined grooves, IMO it fits in my hand better than the 21. Even more so with gloves on. It really does add some nice grip, add the more aggresive jimping and your thumb feels like it is on a piece of stickum versus the 21. It gives you greater control if your hand is wet, greasy, etc. It feels more like a working knife than the 21. As far as thickness, the handle across the 25 measures about .013 of an inch greater than the 21. Measuring height at the hump in the pocket clip it measures approximately .055 difference, being shorter than the 21. So rest assured it is not that much of a difference. The Ceramic ball seems to eliminate the only problem I have ever read about the sebenzas, blade lock up. Also when gripping the 25 I find that I feel the lock bar way less than I do on the 21, this is a plus IMO. Overall just seems more of a solid, rugged working knife. Very well suited for Colorado and the outdoors.

Hope this helps Humblerodent. I can tell you I never thought that anything would fit in my hand better than a 21, until I got and started using my 25. I really do think if you played with it you would come to appreciate it as well. Might not like it as much as your 21's but you will definitely feel the CRK comfort and reliability that we all have come to admire.
 
Help me out guys, I want to be excited for this, but I'm just not. There is only one thing I like about the 25 over the 21: removing the lanyard pin/hole and attaching the lanyard to the standoff. Other than that, this is my least favorite Sebenza design to date.

Before anyone calls me a hater, the Large Sebenza is my favorite knife of all time. That is where my concern is coming from. Every iteration has been a masterpiece, until now. Help me get excited for the 25. Right now I am just mourning the inevitable death (discontinuation) of the 21.

You might have a point about the finger grooves, but it will have to be used and reviewed for that possible issue to be determined. The grooves might actually be a good improvement over the 21's design, and it also might just come down to the individual user's experience.

I carry a regular large sebenza (the model before the classic/21), and I prefer it over the 21's handle design and blade profile. There are other's who prefer the 21 over the regular, so it all really comes down to personal preference. Something tells me there will not be a shortage of 21s for a long time to come, so I don't think you will need to worry too much about that for good while.

I am looking forward to the Sebenza 25. When I get one and if I like it, I might sell my large regular (I only need one). Here are some things that I like about the new 25 to counter your points of view...

-I don't like a thicker blade, I think the .125" on the 21/Regular is perfect.

-I love the thin blade and hollow CRK grind on the regular/21, but the small increase in blade thickness will probably only prolong the life of the blade. Those CRK hollow grinds are great for slicing, and considering the 25 has a new hybrid combination hollow/flat grind, I think the differences in thickness will be negligible in long term use (if anything, the 25's newer blade profile will probably last through more sharpening due to the thicker blade).

-I don't like the finger grooves at all. I don't like my hand being confined to predefined grooves, and also I don't like the look.

-I think the finger grooves along with the thinner handle profile might lend itself well to comfort and control, but this has yet to be determined by the masses.

-The handle looks to have a significantly thinner profile. This concerns me since the Large 21 fits my hand perfectly.

-I think the thinner handle will be a great improvement for in pocket carry and for edc. The thinner profile as stated above, might lend itself well to the inclusion of the extra finger grooving (Think Para 2).

-The hardware looks strange. The pivot on the 21 is plenty large, none of us could ever break it if we tried. And I like how every screw on the 21 is the same.

-The larger pivot of the Umnumzaan has been a proven design, and is loved by many CRK customers. I have been wanting to see something that combines the best of the sebenzas with the umnumzaan, and that is the only reason why I am holding off on purchasing an umnumzaan.

-The blade shape is fine, almost reminiscent of the Regular, but the thumb ramp is very unattractive to me. It bulges out too much and the more aggressive file work is unnecessary and ugly.

-I love everything about the blade shape! The new hollow/flat grind is probably going to be incredible coming from CRK. The profile is more like that of the regular which is my current favorite EDC. The thumb ramp reminds me of the paramilitary 2 and the Ritter griptilian. Both of these knives are my favorite production knives next to the large regular sebenza, and the thumb ramping on them is outstanding in use. The jimping looks like it might actually be functional (I am not a big fan of jimping, but the masses seem to demand it), and if you combine that with the finger grooves, thumb ramp, and thinner handle and thicker blade profiles, you basically have a combination of my three favorite knives: Para 2, Ritter Grip, and the large regular Sebenza.

-The ceramic ball lock face adds complexity to the knife which is heralded for simplicity. The carbidized Ti lockface was plenty strong.

-I like the idea of the 'solidity' of the mechanics of the ceramic ball lock face design over the art/science of a heat treatment or 'carbidization' treatment. I think at this point it is comparing cumquats to oranges, and the differences will be negligible in long term use.

I hope my positive points of view about the new 25 spark some excitement or some enthusiasm for you, but I have a feeling you are stuck on the 21.

The 25 really does look like the modern Sebenza taking everything from what worked best about the past Sebenzas and then combing it all to make the next best worker folding knife on the market.

I just convinced myself to pre-order one after writing this response, lol. I have it feeling it just might bump the large regular Seb out of my pocket!
 
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Thank you, Hughes. That is good info, and definitely helps my apprehension. I'm sure I will get one to check it out for myself. To be fair, I never understood what was so great about the Sebenza in general until I got one in my hand. Now it's my favorite knife of all time. I will reserve judgement on the 25 until it gets the same treatment. Perhaps you are right about it being a better work knife. Right now my Large 21 is what I EDC, and my Large Regular is what I grab for grunt work, but I'm sure I could find room for a 25 as well. Thanks!

BTW, I echo what others have said. Congrats on putting your Sebenza to work. It's in the name FFS! Sebenzas should not be safe queens.

EDIT: burnside, thank you also. I don't think you guys have me excited enough to pre-order, but I can almost guarantee you I will check one out when they become available. Thanks.
 
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Thank you HughesTMH, I'm looking very forward to the release of the production model.
 
I preordered as soon as I could. Can't wait to get it.

It's beyond cool that you use your 25th Anniversary Sebenza, good man :thumbup:
 
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