Updated: Rodent 9..Efficient.

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Updated 9/6: to add detail on handle design in light of precision cutting, please see "Ergos" section below..Thanks.

Hi, Hope you are doing well.
Here’s a review on the Swamp Rat Rodent 9 (best large camp knife I've used so far), I appreciate your comments and perspective.

Preface:
Been wanting to do a review on a chopper for a while now, and if you don’t like reading novels, I’ll sum up the review of the Swamp Rat, Rodent 9 (R9) with one word: Efficient.
Efficiency analysis is part of what I do for a living, and that type of critical thinking carries over to any edged tool I have..especially considering a 1lb chopper..I mean if I am going to carry a largish knife around, it has to be worth the effort right? it has to make the cut..(pardon the pun) with regard to a few core needs that I have, namely:

1) Is the Overall weight/length manageable?
2) Does it chop well?
3) Does it limb well?
4) Does it perform well when batonning, or does it wedge, because of the belly thickness behind the edge?
5) Is it full tang construction?
6) Is the Steel of good quality, and easy to maintain?
7) Is it comfortable to use for prolonged amounts of time, in various grips?
8) Can it perform reasonably well on finer tasks, (whittling/creating wood shavings/curls for fire prep), or does it feel “unnatural” if I choke up on it because it is not balanced for tasks like that?
9) Is it within my price range?
10) Does the manufacturer account for what I think a field blade is designed for, or am I stuck if I “abuse” it?

As you can imagine with criteria like that..it shuts the door on a lot of blades..because it has to have one heck of a design in order to have all those bases covered.

Background:
Have had my fair share of choppers/machetes/hatchets through the years, and up until now, have never found one that was really efficient in the combined areas mentioned above; I’ve bought/traded/participated in pass arounds for years, and every other chopper I’ve had is now in someone else’s home..just was disappointed..I see myself as a “wannabe” outdoorsman..meaning I cherish the time I have in the field to hunt/fish/hike/wander/camp..but I have a couple of jobs, a lovely wife and 4 kids..so I “wannabe” in the field a lot more than I actually get to. If I can get a walk in once a week, I’m doing great!!

Right tool for the job:
I’ll always be a strong believer in that approach, and that blade lengths have their niche..some better for some applications, but I will say this; if for some reason I left my pocket knife/small fixed blade at home, and I had the R9 in the field, I could still efficiently perform any task (other than splinter removal :rolleyes:) that I could normally see myself doing. That is a HUGE statement, and have never been able to say that previously about a large blade.
For those of you who have been in the field with a big knife, and were attempting smaller cutting chores, and have been stuck with a blade that wasn’t versatile, you know what I’m talking about...I think Scott Gossman said it best in a thread, that “Blade Geometry, is arguably the most important part of a knife’s design”..this blade is proof of that..it has crushed the stigma created by all the other largish blades I have used/held and worked with that left me thinking, “It’s good for this application, and I guess it’s ok for this application, but it either sucks, or really sucks in this one etc”…I’m not a blade smith, and don’t know for sure, but I really think the Convex Saber Bevel is what makes it (what I think) a chopper is supposed to be.

A picture is worth a thousand words, so in the below pics, just by way of comparison, I ran it through some general camp chores alongside a Martindale Golok #2 ..which has served me well for years in various capacities, and yes, I used the “sweet spot” on the Golok that matched best with the given task, and by the way..The Golok is a performer, and frankly, even though it is a Machete type tool..has out chopped a bunch of so called “choppers” through the years, and sent them packing..The Rat however, did not suffer such a fate.

Before we get into that, here’s some specs on both:

R9 MG
OAL: 15 1/4' 18'
Blade: 9 1/2' 13’
Steel: SR101 Carbon
Grind: RD Ultra Convex Saber bevel MG?
Weight: 1lb? 1lb?
Thickness: 1/4' 3-4mm
Handles Micarta Wood


Btw..I got this R9 new, and as you can tell, today is not the first time I had it out..the coating on this Swamp Rat is tough, it took batonning through 8-10’ diameter aged oak, for like 3 or 4 decent sized fires, before I broke through the coating..it has made a bunch since then..:-).

Ergos:
Whether your chopping/limbing or choking up the handle it feels good in my hand without gloves..the double bevel design on the edges in the finger choil, make for decent comfort on choke ups, and the balance makes it easy to use this way for prolonged periods without hand fatigue.
I love the Talon holes on this knife, meaning if you are a tinkerer like me, and want to experiment with different types of handle options, you can try different lashings if you wish without permanently altering the handle design..a little bit of paracord wrap, really helped my medium sized mits, and has made much more comfortable for prolonged chopping, but again, to each their own :thumbup:.

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Now for a comparison pic of it and the Golok, before the games begin:

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You'll have to trust me on this, but both blades could push shave hare off my arm before we started / no edge roll, or burr (that I could feel on a thumb scrape anyway)..here's a pic of the edges:

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Here's round one with a good, steady swing.

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Check out the penetration difference between them..

MG:
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R9:
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Going on to a little more chopping, here's some comparison pics of the first hit..

MG:
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R9:
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Btw..it took the R9 5 total hits before it snapped easily; MG took 13..

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Now on to some light vegetation..think this is a willow that's growing beside our creek..
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Here's the first hit:

MG:
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R9:
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Btw..it took 2 swings for the R9 & 3 swings for the MG to clear it.
As you can tell from the first pic, it's not a clear swing as other branches in the way, and poor footing on the side of a bank..probably only about 50% strength on the impact all considered.

Fire prep:
Just doing wood shavings here for a fire..20 slices each.

MG:
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R9:
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This has impressed me a lot with the R9..hard to tell from the pics, but the curls are fat, and really thin..it had been raining some, but based on the thickness of the curls, and using a LMF army model ferro rod, it took 9 scrape attempts before sustained flame for the R9 curls, and 21 for the MG.

Tip penetration (steady swing):

MG:
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R9:
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Again, no blade smith, but the "ultra convex saber bevel" is amazing..how they brought this down from 1/4' stock to such an edge is amazing to me!
Check out the weight on the back of the blade, before the taper begins..the force in chopping is apparent because of it (would love to know how much extra weight that adds to the spine compared to a flat ground of the same dimmensions :confused:)..the balance is so nice..just can't say enough good things about the R9..Way to go Swamp Rat!! Glad I got one before you change your line up ;).

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When you consider the overall size comparison between the blades, and that the Golok is made for light vegetation, it really proves the versatility of the R9..finally I have a chopper/machete/camp knife all rolled into one..never thought it would happen..

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Now onto why IMO this is one of the the most, if not (the) most efficient largish blade on the market for the $...the choke up options..

Grooved micrata, which your gripping fingers can naturally rest in:

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Double beveled choil, so your fingers aren't tortured while doing finer tasks:

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Perfect weight/balance on the handle, giving the blade forward weight in this grip, but not enough to cause fatigue over extended use:

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Plenty usable handle, so you can find the grip right for you:

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Well placed "hump" accented by contours that let your gripping fingers and palm rest in a "socket" while at the same time giving a natural rest for them so they don't slip:

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In the realm of the large blades, this is the most versatile i've had the pleasure to use.
 
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Thanks for taking the time to do this review. I've had a Rodent 9 for a while now and still haven't found the time to get out and use it.

How was the handle for you as regards the swell in the middle? I noticed you wrapped the handle with a little paracord, did this help to smooth out the contours?
 
Thanks for the review! If I didn't have 2 Battle Rats I would buy one in a second!! Swamp Rats are my first love then My wife!! Lol
 
Thanks guys so much!! the sheath was the first one I've made, so thankful the Lord helped me do it!
How was the handle for you as regards the swell in the middle? I noticed you wrapped the handle with a little paracord, did this help to smooth out the contours?

Yes Sir, that wrap definitely smoothed out the contours for me..and really made the ergos alot more comfortable both in chopping, and in choke ups..and, if I get sick of it, I can just cut it off..used a punch to get the cord back through the hole the second time, and it burned down flush with the hole, so no hot spots...their handle designs are amazing.
 
Every now and then they come out with a design that I actually sort of like the look of. This looks to be one of them. Still not a "thick chopper" kind of guy, though, unless it's a full-blown cleaver. :D
 
Fortytwo, I hear you bro...that's the awesome thing about this blade..when I have dealt with 1/4 inch stock before, sharpened prybar is what I've experienced..this blade is anything but that..
The Golok has shamed many high end choppers..but it's not even in the same league with the R9..literally 4-5 times under the all around efficiency of the. R9...finally a knife worth the pricepoint.
Imagine being cold, wet..starting a fire or building a shelter..the R9 will get it done in 1/4th the time compared to the Golok..not trashing it..great blade for the $..but this is truly a deal where you get what you pay for..other than both being largish w/ a sharpened edge..their not even in the same ballpark.
Nothing about the all around potential of what a largish chopper is supposed to be, is comparable between them.
As long as I have the R9, the Golok is going to have to get used to staying under a film of dust..again, can't believe a large knife can be so versatile..this is an underated blade, for now, but once the woodsmen use them, their value will be well known when they are out of production and on the secondary market..my prediction anyway...peace bro.
 
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One VERY important note I failed to mention in my review..this is the only chopper that I have never felt the need to reprofile in order for it to meet the max potential for my needs.. If humanly possible, I will be diligent to make SURE I stay within the the designed grind on any sharpenings..in fact, other than recouping from my craziness with the throwing escapades, this blade has never seen any grit other than a medium spyderco double cut sharpening stone (only after the throwing)..everything else has been on a 4 sided strop..guys..need I say more? (but I probably will :D).
and btw..I never felt the need to even hit it with the stone, until I threw here in WV, and was so impressed, I took it to NC to show my nephew, who also threw it repeatedly at an 2ft diameter old pine (he had a lot better success than I did)..
 
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Fortytwo, I hear you bro...that's the awesome thing about this blade..when I have dealt with 1/4 inch stock before, sharpened prybar is what I've experienced..this blade is anything but that..
The Golok has shamed many high end choppers..but it's not even in the same league with the R9..literally 4-5 times under the all around efficiency of the. R9...finally a knife worth the pricepoint.
Imagine being cold, wet..starting a fire or building a shelter..the R9 will get it done in 1/4th the time compared to the Golok..not trashing it..great blade for the $..but this is truly a deal where you get what you pay for..other than both being largish w/ a sharpened edge..their not even in the same ballpark.
Nothing about the all around potential of what a largish chopper is supposed to be, is comparable between them.
As long as I have the R9, the Golok is going to have to get used to staying under a film of dust..again, can't believe a large knife can be so versatile..this is an underated blade, for now, but once the woodsmen use them, their value will be well known when they are out of production and on the secondary market..my prediction anyway...peace bro.

Just curious--have you tried thinning the Golok to a 30-degree included angle? :D But yeah, that does look to be a well-executed thick design.
 
Over the years I've tried a few angles on it, while at the same time attempting to hold pretty close to the original concept of the varying thicknesses/for various tasks, not sure what you mean by "included" angle though, could you elaborate on that?
If you mean the entire length of the blade, No Sir.
 
15 degrees per side. More commonly you'll see folks refer to it as the "inclusive" angle, but from the standpoint of geometric terminology the correct term is "included." And the whole length of the blade, yes. :D
 
I tend to look at this a different way. I'm not going to throw dung at that SR, it may well be good, although for my taste if it had a handle on it like they put on the old Camp Tramp I would like it better. My contention is simply that this doesn't show so much about how that SR can keep pace with a decent golok but more of how badly done the Martindale #2 comes NIB..................... I like the #2, and have used them a lot, but it is clear they are a Westernised version compared to the way a lot of blades local to the other end of the planet are ground.................Sod sharpness for the moment and let's just consider geometry and the distribution of mass. The #2 in my pic below is blunt, very blunt, but I bet it would hold up a hell of a lot better in this particular fight. A NIB #2 has an awful kinda scandi edge dubbed on to it. That cheapo approach doesn't matter so much with very thin machetes that cut grasses but it's rubbish for cutting through stuff with any resistance worth mentioning. It's exactly like a the action of a scandi cutting through a potato, it just tends to want to fracture it rather than cut it because you've that dirty great wedge with a pronounced shoulder presented early on in the cut. I've had butcher knives a couple of inches shorter and somewhere between a half and a third the weight that will out penetrate a #2 NIB very easily on wood. Add to that the #2 comes very roughly finished with deep horizontal grind scars that can only serve to act as a drag parachute as the cut medium attempts to flow across the blade. If you address that and give it a lot of relief rather like the Pacific Basin choppers or even on agricultural, thatchers and bodgers tools here you'll find it unleashes a lot of the potential that was hitherto hobbled, even if you were inclined to put an identically obtuse edge back on at the angle they ship with. An non-tweaked #2 truly is only a tree beater...........................
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Fortytwo, thanks for the clarification, and Yes Sir, then the chopping edge is roughly 15-20 on the sweet spot/chopping portion, but that part only.

Baldtaco, your dead-on in your perspective, I REALLY had to work the Golok over after I got it, was very roughly done from the factory..but for what I had in it, I kind of expected it.
 
Baldtaco, your dead-on in your perspective, I REALLY had to work the Golok over after I got it, was very roughly done from the factory..but for what I had in it, I kind of expected it.
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I can see you've had a good go at it but I'd hog off way more than that. I'd hold the thing flat down on the belt to at least an inch up. I went higher than that before I brought it back in to a shallow convex arc, only steeping it at the very end right down at the cutting edge. Can't really see that from my pic though because it got distressed after profiling and the bit that's wiped off is only from sharpening it up.
 
Thanks Baldtaco, I'll definitely keep that in mind if I ever re-profile it again, I'll holler at you to get more specifics..would love to see yours.
 
nice review! wonder if the SY 911 will have the same performance or maybe better due to the handle...still impatiently waiting for mine...
 
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