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Box_Opener said:
Hey, anybody have any thoughts about penetrator tip legality in terms of dirk and dagger laws? I'm thinking that if I'm even asking, it's probably not worth the risk but I already own a boot dagger, so.....🤷‍♂️
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I wouldn't worry about it. The penal law doesn't outright ban dirks and daggers, but prohibits their possession "with intent to use unlawfully against another". It also mentions "dangerous knife" and a catch all "dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon" at the end of the list. The intent to use unlawfully is the hook. You could be carrying a 16" jelly cock and get convicted under this statute depending on the circumstances.
Besides, if you're in NYC you have a 4" blade limit so, if you're getting a 6" UF, you're already breaking the rules and might as well forget about all these other nuances and just buy what you want.
 
fonedork said:
I wouldn't worry about it. The penal law doesn't outright ban dirks and daggers, but prohibits their possession "with intent to use unlawfully against another". It also mentions "dangerous knife" and a catch all "dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon" at the end of the list. The intent to use unlawfully is the hook. You could be carrying a 16" jelly cock and get convicted under this statute depending on the circumstances.
Besides, if you're in NYC you have a 4" blade limit so, if you're getting a 6" UF, you're already breaking the rules and might as well forget about all these other nuances and just buy what you want.
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This makes total sense. Thanks, Fone. :thumbsup:
 
fonedork said:
I wouldn't worry about it. The penal law doesn't outright ban dirks and daggers, but prohibits their possession "with intent to use unlawfully against another". It also mentions "dangerous knife" and a catch all "dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon" at the end of the list. The intent to use unlawfully is the hook. You could be carrying a 16" jelly cock and get convicted under this statute depending on the circumstances.
Besides, if you're in NYC you have a 4" blade limit so, if you're getting a 6" UF, you're already breaking the rules and might as well forget about all these other nuances and just buy what you want.
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are you implying that carrying a 16" jelly cock is an abnormal scenario?

asking for a friend
 
fatfrog said:
Does anyone know the different between a penetrator tip and the double edged tip?
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Nathan the Machinist said:
A reinforced point is stronger because there is more metal closer to the point. This can be done by thickening the grind at the point, twisting the grind more obtuse at the point or designing the blade where the section of the blade is adjusted to put the meat behind and close to the point with a diamond shaped cross section rather than off a distance at the spine as illustrated in the original post. A reinforced point is stronger and may or may not stab well. Imagine prying staples and punching holes with a Philips head screwdriver compared to a pairing knife.

A "penetrator tip" has the shoulders directly behind the point relieved narrowing the cross-section of the point reducing resistance to penetration. This is a design element that won't make a point any stronger but does allow easier piercing.

A double edged point is actually sharpened on the spine for a short distance and will cut in both directions. This is considered a double edged knife and is illegal in many locations.
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