UPS Beware!!!!

Hey Guys..

Just heard on the news last night that UPS is asking all customers to bring their parcels in unsealed as they will be inspected Before being shipped!!

So far they said it only effects the Troy Michigan sorting center...

Is this going to become a trend?

I don't want them looking through my $hit, I'll be Not using UPS to send Any of my Art or sheaths anymore....

Sender Beware!

ttyle

Eric...

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they have a sign on the wall & seem to be enforcing it here in Jackson, MS for walk in customers, we have an account & print the labels,etc & put them on the package, they don't open & check those.

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That really stinks. Next you'll see FedEx do it and then postal services around the world.
Why are they doing this?
 
In the past I have traded emails with friends around the world that have to not only have thier packages inspected and sealed in the Post Office, but they have them opened upon delivery and the contents are not only inspected, but taxed on site.

I always told them it couldn't happen here, people would go Postal (pardon the pun) about that. I guess we'll see, eh?

John
 
Eric,
I went into a UPS station one time to send a package and of course you're supposed to claim on the form what it is. The guy behind the counter asked me what really was in the package? I couldn't believe it and told him it was none of his business. I've never used UPS since.
As an aside, if people keep electing "bleeding heart" liberals to political office and they'll soon be checking more than our packages.
 
They check out my Package everytime I walk in
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I've heard of packages getting opened by thieves who work at UPS. This will tempt them even more. It just goes to show that the right of privacy does not exist anymore.
 
Just another reason not to use U.P.S. (U Poor Sucker)
 
Old news man. Use the search feature.

When someone first posted here that the UPS clerk had opened their sealed package, rummaged through it, and taped it back up right in front of their face at the counter while explaining that it is UPS policy to inspect ALL packages from individual shippers (they trust their big business accounts), I couldn't believe it. As much as I'm no fan of UPS (Unrepentant Package Smashers), I don't like to see any company get slimed for something so obviously untrue. So, I e-mailed UPS customer service and asked. I expected them to reply that there was no such policy. I could then report that back to the forum. But, they promptly replied that while they're not quite to 100% yet, their policy and their goal is to inspect 100% of all packages from individual shippers.

I mailed back and asked why. They responded that they were concerned about contents of packages endangering their workers.

I mailed back asking if they could first give some examples of how contents hand endangered workers, and, second, why they thought that they were getting all the dangerous shipments since neither the post office nor any other private shipper seems to be enforcing such a policy? They responded saying that they could not, because of confidentiality, give any examples and that they could not comment on the policies or practices of other carriers.

About this same time, I heard that UPS was no longer accepting firearms. "Well, there's the answer," I said, "Some dummy shipped a loaded gun and the thing went off in the box." So, I e-mailed UPS again to clarify. UPS clarified all right. They DO still accept firearms, but only in their "blue label" overnight service, not in their less-expensive "brown label" service. That makes no sense from a safety perspective. If guns are dangerous in the brown label service, why aren't they dangerous in the blue label service? In fact, since the blue label goes mostly by air, you'd think that it'd be even more dangerous.

So, I e-mailed again. They kindly responded (I gotta hand one thing to 'em, they do respond to e-mail quickly and with real answers) that the change in policy on firearms was not caused by safety concerns but by employee theft. The Blue Label stuff is handled mostly by automated systems, it's kept in more secure facilities, and the employees who do handle it are generally folks who've been with the company longer and have good records just because they need their best people on those overnight packages.

Putting two and two together and quickly coming up with four, I e-mailed again asking if they'd considered any possible link between employees opening packages and inspecting their contents and employees stealing those contents. The response was that they'd "pass my suggestion on for further consideration."

Since then, another forum member, a UPS employee, has posted saying that that is exactly what happens. The clerks who open and inspect the packages don't steal anything. They're watched closely by the customer and also by management and there are cameras too. But, they do make a small mark on the box, perhaps just how they apply the tape at an off angle or something, on the boxes that they think are worth stealing from. The actual theft is then done by a handler down the line and suitable payments are made behind the scene.

Now, I don't want to say that every UPS employee is a thief and that this goes on at every UPS location. I'm sure that the vast majority of UPS employees are honest and reliable and that the vast majority of UPS locations are equally trustworthy.

But, the fact that even though it was pointed out to them and even though it's patently obvious, the fact that UPS has not seen the connection between inspecting and stealing is really surprising to me.


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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
Gentlemen:

One thing I can promise you for certain fact. Within another two years, this will no longer be an issue, with any carrier, anywhere in the world. I know it doesnt help any now, but we just have to deal with this paranoia a little longer.

Dark Nemesis

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Crimson Horizon
Nothing but edge baby...
dark.nemesis@home.com
 
Has anybody ever noticed that no person has ever, in the history of mankind, admitted to being a UPS employee? Now that's pride in your job!!!
 
It's the good old US Postal Priority Mail for me. I've sent (and received) MANY packages through them without ANY problems, and their delivery-times for the cost is very good.
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Dann Fassnacht
Aberdeen, WA
glockman99@hotmail.com
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One thing I can promise you for certain fact. Within another two years, this will no longer
be an issue, with any carrier, anywhere in the world. I know it doesnt help any now, but
we just have to deal with this paranoia a little longer.
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Please explain. Being cryptic for its own sake is tiresome.

-Razor

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AKTI #A000845
And tomorrow when you wake up it will be worse.
 
I worked for UPS once. I have no problem admitting it because I was just a seasonal temp to help during the holiday season; a bad decision for a poor college student. I was there for only 12 days or so, and had no desire to return.

I remember some crazy storys they told us during training(yeah, I sat thru training for a job I stayed with for less than 2 weeks). While workers unloaded a trailer, a package fell open and a horse's severed head fell out. The foolish workers handled it or something and got rabies from it. Another story was a black bear carcas stuffed in a box on its way to the taxidermists (sp?). Here we can see how inspecting contents of packages would be neseccary, I guess...
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oh, one more thing: during my time with ups, the worst package abuse I saw saw a box for a 24" tv thrown about 12 or 15 feet or so. It made an unsettling sound when it hit the ground. Say no to UPS
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"I see you played knifie spoonie before..."
 
Well guys, I guess that's the straw for me!
I've conducted a dozen or more transactions (buying, selling, trading) which were all pleasant except two. One in which I emailed an offer which was not received. I then re-sent it and in composing it did'nt make it as clear as it should have been and the guy got my combo edge when he thought he was getting a plain. He very graciously refused to undo the deal when I offered (I felt terrible about it) I recently traded for a knife that was represented as having been "lightly carried". When I got it I spent approximatley six hours trying to remove the chips in the blade edge, take out the deep scratches in the blade and make it open without having the pivot screws loosened to the point of falling out, I finally got so frustrated I threw it away. Now this with UPS BS. I think I'll cool it for awhile. Just withdrew my latest postings. As a whole, your a great bunch and I thank you for the knowledge I've gained here.
Thanks,
Rich
 
Ah, UPS... I was slave to them for four years- five days a week, 3:00 am to 8:30 am, while I was in college. Hard work, but I learned all kinds of neat behind the scenes type stuff while working in that hub. I loaded, unloaded, and sorted.

First off, I had to laugh out loud when I read that UPS is concerned about the parcels possibly injuring their employees. Puh-lease.
Perhaps the work atmosphere inside the UPS hubs have changed in the past four or five years, but I doubt it. Trust me when I say that packages possibly injuring the employees is pretty far down the list of the things UPS corporate is worrying about. I could understand it if there was an incident where some loader got shot or something, but it's just not like that.

Blue and red label service gets handled almost as much as any other service- they still all have to pass through the hubs- be it the smaller local ones, or the larger regional hubs- be it airport facilities or otherwise. The blue and red label packages may go faster, but they still pass through an awful lot of hands on their way. They are NOT kept in more secure facilities. That stuff rides the belts just like anything else- it's just not sitting any one place for as long. There is absolutely NO truth to the notion that only "seasoned" employees handle the higher priority shipments. NONE at all.

As far as employee theft goes- yeah- I guess it happens, but I never once in four years saw or heard of it. (this was a major leaugue hub, btw.) The handlers are moving boxes so godd*mn fast, you don't really have time to stop and say "hey- this looks interesting, think I'll steal it". Where the trouble happens is when packages drop down off the belts (there are miles and miles of elevated belts and conveyors) due to a jam, and they sometimes fall outside between the back of the truck and the building. There are about a bazillion little nooks and crannies where boxes, especially letters, can get knocked off track and find their way to the floor of the facility. Once discovered, if ever, these packages are supposed to go to the "re-sort" aisles, where they are sent back onto the appropriate lines. This is where there can be some problems with theft, as the packages are often set aside on carts before going on to re-sort. This process happens much slower than than the rest of the facility and is manned much lighter than everywhere else. These parcels are kind of orphaned until they get back on track, so there's a larger chance of theft. Also, if a package breaks open, it goes to the re-tape tables which, again, are staffed lighter, and the contents are ripe for the picking I suppose.

Yet every employee must exit every day through metal detectors, at a guard house once their shift is over. While that's obviously not fool proof for all items, at least there are some anti-theft measures. Cameras are present as well, but they are few and far between- there is perhaps one camera for every one "sort" and a sort can be anywhere from 4 to 16 doors. Also, supervisors do make appearances now and again, but usually just to make sure that employees are moving packages as fast as possible. Kind of like drill instructors in the military.

I'm surprised to hear that UPS is going to enact such a policy- I was not aware of that one. It seems ridiculous as for the mostpart, the package handlers don't give a rat's ass what's in the packages-so long as any one package doesn't make their job any harder than it already is, by requiring special attention due to improper or missing labeling, break-open, oversize and weight for the particular line, etc....

Of course, there's always going to be some bad apples who are going to steal. It sucks, but it happens. I'm sure in all of the shipping companies to some degree.

So, if I may- here's a few tips to increase the odds of your packages making it safely through UPS: (mostly common sense, but worth repeating)

Always label the package as clearly and prominently as you can if you're not using the computer generated commercial shipping labels. A black sharpie works great. Write clearly with big letters as darkly as you can. Emphasize the zip code.

Use a high quality rigid box. Don't cheap out and try to salvage some POS box you found or worse- made yourself. These packages take an incredible beating throughout their journey, so don't assume your ratty old box is going to make it.

Tape the hell out of your boxes with clear packaging tape. Clear tape, or even the brown packaging tape has a smooth finish and rides the belts much better than vinyl, masking, or duct tapes. Pacakages taped with clear tape will glide more easily past the sides of the coveyors, and will be able to "sneak" past jams. Other tapes tend to grab the sides of the conveyor gates and belts, and are the first ones to be propelled up on top of the jams. That's a bad thing, as these are the ones that wind up on the floor homeless.

Unless you feel it's unavoidable, refrain from marking packages "fragile". You are just taunting someone to test out your packing skills by chucking it off the wall of truck or burying it under a load of "steel". ("Steel" means any item over 75 lbs, and outside the girth measurements allowed to ride the belts- good examples of "steel" are pick up and SUV bumpers)Shocked? Well, get over it- it happens. Sort of therepeutic for the handlers in a bizarre way. The more anonymous looking the box, the better off you are. Just learn to pack the box in such a way where it won't get damaged easily, and you'll be fine.

Pop for the insurance. Sure, filing a claim is largely a pain in the ass, but if you should have something go missing- at least you have some recourse.

Anyway, sorry to ramble on, figured I'd chime in with my experience with UPS. As for the inspection of packages, well that plain sucks. Then again, I haven't shipped anything via UPS in years- my stuff always goes USPS, one way or another.

Happy Shipping!

Firebat

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Name's Ash......Housewares.
 
If I may add one marginally irrelevant data point to this discussion, I'd like to tell a story. This is just to show that there are some decent human beings who work for UPS.

My sister's dog, Willard, had a bad habit of chasing cars. One day the doorbell rang. It was a UPS driver. He did not have a package for us, but rather, he had stopped to inform us, sincerely and very apologetically, that he had inadvertently run over our dog.

Long after I have gotten over Willard's tragic demise, it still impresses me that a delivery driver would go to the trouble to express regret for something that wasn't even his fault.

Incidentally, I had to chuckle when I saw Gollnick's "Unrepentant Package Smashers". Ever since the Willard incident, my brother (Frag on these forums)has referred to UPS as "United Pet Squishers".

David Rock



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Stop when you get to bone.
 
Mr. Firebat has given us a great post. Thank you.

Those UPS people told me that the blue label stuff went entirely differently which is why they felt comfortable taking firearms that way.

My understanding is that most theft takes place in smaller local depots and offices where security is lax and employees not quite so rushed.

Anyway, Unrepentant Package Smashers comes from one of my favorite UPS stories when a knife was mailed to me from the Atlanta, Georgia area via UPS Blue Lable (overnight). The next day, it did not come. I checked the tracking website and it reported, "in transit." I expected it the next day. It did not come. The website still showed "in transit." I called their 800 number and was told that my package had been scanned into their sorting facility if Roswell, Georgia two days ago and had not been seen since. I asked if they were going to look for it. She said, "No, they usually turn up in a few days." I was sure I'd never see that knife. No insurance had been purchased. So, I decided to extract what I could and asked for a refund of the shipping of the now-late overnight package. She informed me that UPS policy is that a refund could not be issued until the package was delivered. I asked what would happen if the package was never delivered? She said that after 90 days, the package is declared lost and I can could then get a refund of shipping. Great.

About a week later, on a lark, I checked the website again and it said my package had been scanned into the UPS depot in Tualatin, Oregon, just a few miles from my house! There was no record of how the package got from Roswell, GA to Tualatin, OR, but apparently my package was in Tualatin. I expected to see it the next day. But it didn't come.

So, I called the 800 number. The clerk informed me that yes, my package was in Tualatin, but no, it would not be delivered for several more days. I asked how they could possibly have delivered it from Atlanta to my house in Sherwood, Oregon some 3500 miles away overnight if they couldn't get it from their own depot in Tualatin to my house, maybe eight miles, in a few days? No answer. I again asked why it couldn't go out tomorrow. Why not? Something to do with how the trucks are loaded. I asked if I could go and pick it up as I have picked packages up at the depot before; I know right where it is, only a few minutes drive from my house. But, I was told that, in this case I could not pick the package up at the depot. Why not? It's just not permitted in this case!

Finally, the package was delivered, 15 days late. It was utterly smashed. Fortunately, the knife inside was undammaged.

So, with package in hand, I called to get my refund. I was then informed that UPS policy is that refunds for late blue-label packages must be applied for within 14 days of shipment. No wonder my package had to sit in the depot for almost a week!

Any company that would do this, deliberately hold a package just to avoid making a less-than-ten-dollar refund is just plain evil.


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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
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