Urban Emergency Scenario

But what if you couldnt get out in your own vehicle?

You head for your 1st carfully planned evac route, and find a barricade, An officer informes you that this route is comendeered for emergency vehicles heading to and from the incident.

You head instead for the interstate and find another barricade and are informed that this raod is closed to everything but evacuation vehicles.

An officer in full riot gear and a 12 guage directs you to turn around and head for the nearest evacuation point.

The local roads are cholked to a standstill by every other guy who had the same idea as you.

Now what? wait untill all the busses and the officers bug out and follow close behind? Walk? go offroad?

Post 9/11 certain routs into and out of the city were closed to all but emergency vehicles and those with proper credentials. This is not uncommon and makes sense from an emergency service standpoint.

The point is you cant say "I wouldnt get on the bus" im pretty sure if it was your only way out you would.

Yes this scenerio Is unlikley but as Guntotin stated a very similar one did happen to him and I can think of several others that i have heard or read about that were similar.

Geraldo: many fire departments are equipped with technology capable of tracking and predicting toxic plumes and spills and could fore warn possible contamination areas and authorities could attempt evacuations.


If i have and option I am not getting on the bus either, and I will do my best to avoid shelters, since even good people who are desperate enough are very unpredictable, nevermind the fact that not every one there is a stable tax paying citizen to begin with.

that being said, part of planning for survival is thinking about those unlikley scenarios, just like the if you only had one knife questions, its probably not going too happen to someone on this page but thinking about the situation is a good mental exercize. Its what emergency services call a "Table top" exercize.
 
This was not a fantasy situation for the people of LaPorte and Pasadena, TX yesterday (Fri, 1/27). There was a release in the Sulphuric Acid Unit at the large DuPont Chemical facility located approx between the 2 cities. People were evac'd to safer locations further away from the plant than where they lived. Haven't looked but am sure it is still being sensationalized on the nat'l news. Cooter
 
Hmmm Soooo what I hear here is that everybody is going to make their own way out, taking their family with them and be toting what ever firearm they can get their hands on ??

The back road sounds like its going to be trafficked with scared people who will shoot first and ask later while trying to protect and keep their family alive and well at all cost.

I don't know...that buss is sounding better and better with each post I read.

While I have no doubt that you will not use YOUR gun, unless YOU have too, its the other 999 scared and desperate people fearing for their life with guns that is making me think twice ;)
 
Hog Feet said:
No way I am getting on a bus to go to a .gov shelter with my family!
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DITTO!!!
I have several places I can go if needed.... from a few in the state and out of state as well. As for them saying I must leave NOW... Not likely. I'll take a minute or so to make sure everyone has their own BOB. As well as a few cases of water and couple bags of dog food for the 2 German Shepards... If it came down to it they are like my kids and I ain't going without them.

If there were roadblocks.... well I'm a volunteer first responder and a reserve deputy. If neither of those work I will take steps to get around the road block... that's what 4X4 is made for....
 
Well I would not get on the bus either.Also having a job where we often call for busses to put people in during fires and other emergences and such in cold weather I can tell you it takes a pretty long time to get a bus to the scene. By the time busses are on scene I would have known what happened from TV and phone calls and split.

Add in the fact that you could not possibliy have enough busses for everyone, and that many bus drivers would choose to just get themselves the hell out of the danger zone can't see the bus thing working.

No way there is enough cops to block/stop travel either. The town I live in has 40,000 people,30 cops maybe ten on duty at anyone time.
 
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"braddy
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You have 5 posts, and it is a few days later, are you still participating?"

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These are very interesting opinions. Yes, I'm reading each one.

Perhaps I posted to the wrong forum as most seem to feel "getting out of town on my own" is the best solution. YMMV

I'm a ham radio operator who will likely go to the nearest shelter to provide emergency communications, so i'm inclined to ride the bus. I just wanted some opinions on what I might carry with me.

I am also a bushcrafter, so I DO endorse and enjoy reading what you all have written.

Jim
 
jimfbte said:
. . .I'm a ham radio operator who will likely go to the nearest shelter to provide emergency communications, so i'm inclined to ride the bus. I just wanted some opinions on what I might carry with me. . .
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What radio gear do you expect to carry onto the bus and what else do you plan to take? Considering the NOLA experiment, why on earth would you take valuable Ham radio gear into a government shelter? So you can collect on the insurance and get new gear?
 
ras said:
What radio gear do you expect to carry onto the bus and what else do you plan to take? Considering the NOLA experiment, why on earth would you take valuable Ham radio gear into a government shelter? So you can collect on the insurance and get new gear?
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Without going into detail as this is not a radio forum, I would take a minimum of a VHF radio with batteries to communicate with the local Civil Defense (yes, in Hawaii, we still have a Civil Defense Dept) and RACES.

We provide logistical ('We need XXX supplies") and health/welfare ("Where can I find my mom, a Mrs. Jane Smith?" type) communicaions during natural and man-made disasters. Ham radio has provide essential communications for basically all major disasters for decades. See New Orleans, WTC, Indonesia, Oklaholma, etc.

For more info, please PM me directly rather than to sidetrack this forum.
 
Geraldo: many fire departments are equipped with technology capable of tracking and predicting toxic plumes and spills and could fore warn possible contamination areas and authorities could attempt evacuations.
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Having used these programs, I can tell you that they don't really forewarn anyone, because you're using data from the spill or leak to get the plume models. There is technology, usually employed by private industry, that monitors for hazards, but it will be more of an abandon ship warning than a prediction.

The following is a great example of pre-evac conversation ;) :

Elwood: It's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.
Jake: Hit it.
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Hog Feet said:
No way I am getting on a bus to go to a .gov shelter with my family!

I will get me and mine out to safety without getting on the bus. I have seen first hand what can happen in mass shelters (New Orleans). There is no way I am bringing my family to one of them. Crime, disorder, loss of freedoms, dependency on your captors, diseases, and total lack of privacy (all sounds just like prison).

There is more than one way to get out if necessary. If a bus can get out then I can get out.

My bags are ready to go, and I will not rely on the gov for my safety. Their record is spotty at best.
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I'm with you. Ten minutes and I have enough food and water in the PU, along with our BOBs, to last a couple of weeks and the wife, daughter and 2 grandbabies would follow me out of the area and if the LEO tried to stop us, he'd have his hands full and would decide it wasn't worth taking the extra time to debate the subject.

But then, we aren't really in an Urban setting, but there are plenty of cities around us and wind can carry most contaminants, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibilities.
 
With the governement's track record perhaps it is best to listen to their directions and then do the opposite. I have a bag, two knives FBM and a Leatherman. Some toilet paper, toothbrush and paste, bottled water, canned food, 1st aid, sleeping bag. The usual stuff, but nothing exotic. Light enough to travel quickly. Grab my Marlin Guide Gun, Jump on the motorbike and head for the hills..... ok can't get to my own vehicle..... Walk to the hills.
 
Wow.. good question. Well, I guess for me, it all depends on METT-T (mission, enemy, troops, terrain, & time) and how involved the authorities were. I live in a major urban setting so, blocking major roads to channel the sheep would be quite easy. I guess if its just a simple "get out of the city' order, Id get dressed in a practical get-up for the weather, give the warning order to the rest of the household (dio and sissy my dogs, and my broad) put my LBE and ruck on, throw the .45 in the holster on my lbe, and get in the vehicle and go. Then depending if i could develop the situation while en route, id either stay somewhere semi local, or at a relatives house, or head further north, where there was less rustle and bustle. If all major intersections were blocked, and you had to use their method of transportation, so that they could throw you in a germ filled gym, full of all sorts of weirdos, i do suppose i could survive. Though, adding in some of that dry hand sanitizer in my ruck would be a good addition now that i think about it.
my .45. Youre not gettin it. fine, then kick me out of the gym then. id put it in my ruck before i got anywhere populated anyway. but if they searched my bags, id be gettin kicked, or it would get taken away from me forcibly. I suppose my two staffordshire terriers would keep most miscreants away from our little 'cot area' while we stayed there. I have enough to survive in my ruck and lbe for a while. Though, if the dude knocking at the door says id be stayin in some sort of building, id take my ruck right to the pantry, and start stuffin my ruck with canned food, and ramen noodles. i can cook with my trioxane, canteen cup and canteen cup stove. I'll use my knives i brought, and the racing spoon provided in my mre's. If the shelter provided mre's as 'refugee food' id be just fine. I can whip up a 3 course meal out of some mre's... im good there. so at this point, i got a roof, my family, food, and a stained army cot. im ok. just as long as the rest of the people stay away from us. lol.

If things were much worse when described by the friendly "were from the government, were here to help" guy, id be gone. You'd never see me again.
my loadout would be a little different as well. this time, before i put my lbe on, my body armor would go on first, then the lbe, then the ruck. all of my guns, and tactical gear would go as well.
if the roads were blocked, id have to figure something out then. but if they werent, it'd be a 'red dawn' up in here. Id link up with my team, and we'd head north, (if the situation permitted. if not, id just have to execute my own personal E&E plan, and follow my E&E corridor north.) and submerge ourselves in a surrounding where we held the advantage. The weeds. the suck. the shit. the 'bush'. (a large forest)
Once we stumble upon a decent site, we'd pull in the objective rally point, send out the leaders recon, and go from there.
From there on out it would be just patrol base operations....
 
One more to say that I'd never go to a shelter. I keep a few things in my jeep all the time, and a bug out pack in the closet. One tool that I found useful to add to to the vehicle kit is a small set of bolt cutters, or one of those fence tools with the side cutter hammer setup. I once had to use my bolo to beat through Constantina that was wrapped around the axle of my HUMVEE.
 
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