Using Knives As Not Intended

Worth bring back! unintended use always continues unfortunately. Real shame with the price of blades today. Most buyers here I notice keep their blades in excellent shape even if put to use properly. pays not to let "borrowers" use em. Recipe for disaster!!
 
shinyedges said:
I'm guessing it's referencing a thread some years back by a member I don't see post anymore. If it is, that's hilarious, I love subtle jabs/humor at past things here.
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I vaguely remember that thread now. Looks like I saw it a couple years ago after all.
 
DMG said:
I talked to my Krav Maga instructor about knife defenses. He told me he would handle a knife attack one of 2 ways. 1 was a gun. 2 was running really fast.
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As soon as he's ambushed at an initiative deficit he's dead.
 
Point is there's no guarantee his 1 or 2 are viable in any given potential "situation" and if he's teaching people self defense he needs to acknowledge that and offer all the tools or stop taking people's money. Those tools include learning how to control an armed assailant who ambushes out of nowhere with your hands to buy enough time to do one of the two things he stated.

ETA: If he's saying those are his preferences to going hands on, then I agree with him wholeheartedly. Again, I just hope he's not selling the common self defense false dichotomy that you can always either "just shoot 'em" or run away.
 
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jamesculver said:
Ultimately, if in a dire SD circumstance, I believe I would.

ADDITIONALLY if there's any LEOs out there, what's the general rule on this?
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I can only speak to my training and my experiences which will undoubtedly vary from others. I was taught to carry a blade weak side opposite of your service pistol so that should a criminal be fighting you for your gun you can use the knife to essentially carve the bad guy off your gun. The instructor recommended a one hand opener or the Ka Bar TDI for obvious reasons. I nor anyone I worked with ever had to resort to that thankfully.

I did see a couple instances where people used knives to kill other people but it wasn’t exactly self defense. More like mutual combat- well, one was a guy with a 5 shot .38 vs a guy with a cheap Bowie knife. The Bowie guy won. Snubnose boy ran out of rounds and Bowie boy gutted him. I imagine Jim Bowie would’ve been proud looking down from the heavens. Snubnose boy was actually defending himself and Bowie boy went away for a long time. After the trial, I was given the Bowie knife as a souvenir and if somebody will remind me I’ll post photos of it tomorrow. It’s buried in a toolbox at my parents home.

Usually (disclaimer; from what I’VE SEEN and my experiences) if it’s clear cut self defense, the tool used in defense doesn’t matter so much. Now that’s my area and knife laws and police are very lax on knives and very understanding of self defense here.
 
David Mary said:
Point is there's no guarantee his 1 or 2 are viable in any given potential "situation" and if he's teaching people self defense he needs to acknowledge that and offer all the tools or stop taking people's money. Those tools include learning how to control an armed assailant who ambushes out of nowhere with your hands to buy enough time to do one of the two things he stated.

ETA: If he's saying those are his preferences to going hands on, then I agree with him wholeheartedly. Again, I just hope he's not selling the common self defense false dichotomy that you can always either "just shoot 'em" or run away.
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He did not teach a knife defense class. I am not sure Krav Maga actually has a knife defense section, I will check the book when I get home. I think he is correct, though. If someone has a contact weapon and you have empty hands, your best move is to disengage.
 
You missed the point but it’s right there in my post and since we’re still in GKD, I’m not going to keep trying.
 
DMG said:
He did not teach a knife defense class. I am not sure Krav Maga actually has a knife defense section, I will check the book when I get home. I think he is correct, though. If someone has a contact weapon and you have empty hands, your best move is to disengage.
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I know this section is not really the right place to discuss this, and this is off topic, but you're not wrong on this. There's not much you can do against something that can cause permanent, disfiguring harm with just a relatively light touch. Stay out of that situation at all costs, avoid being cornered or herded, and if you are forced to fight, fight like a rabid dog. Grab a long stick or pipe, throw a chair, hit them in the melon with a good sized rock. Any aggression from outside their reach can make them think that it's a bad idea to continue what they're doing. Whatever you do, just don't let them get close.

When I was younger and in better shape, I myself was a martial artist. A friend and I played with a wooden practice knife, there was not really a way to avoid getting "cut" in places you didn't want to be cut. Knives are so quick, being outside their reach is about the only way to mitigate harm.

On the subject of the tanto post, yes, very amusing. People like are the other half of the reason it's worth sticking around here.
 
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MarkN86 said:
When you posted "not as intended" the first thing that popped into my head was prying with a knife or batoning a 12" log. I'm glad that's not what you meant.

Not the typical style of knife or tool we discuss on here, but I visited with a veterinarian who was also an avid hunter. In addition to his knife, he would carry some vet tools in a small pack inside his backpack, like retractable scalpels, a bone saw, shears, etc to process deer and elk. I guess it's what he's used to, and those tools work the same, whether or not you intend to stitch them back up when you're done operating.

In the modern age, we need knives for so many things that are not "traditional" uses for knives. For small knives and folders, the popularity seems to be shifting to the straighter edge and lower point styled blade shapes, like a wharncliffe, sheepsfoot, or cleaver style. Personally, I think the wharncliffe styled blades are the current light-duty superstars of the knife world. Lots of popular modern knives use a wharncliffe, or modified wharncliffe blade.
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I noticed this trend as well, and I think those blade styles are popular because most people are using their knives to open amazon boxes. Having the lower tip makes it easier to pull cut since you don't have to arch your wrist as much for the tip to puncture.
 
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