Using Shapton with King?

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Hey all, I was wondering if Shapton and King would play well together and if so what grit should I get to go with my 1000/6000 grit king combo stone? I want a nice finishing stone so just wonderin and I will be using some kind of stropping compound which I haven't figured out what kind to use yet. Maybe even recommend a good reprofiling stone also, thanks.

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Sorry if this was a stupid question, I'm just not sure of how different brands differ in grit. Thanks for any info.

P.S I'm really getting into free hand, just got a surgical black Arkansas from my friend for my Birth Day :D
 
They don't really mix well, they use a different abrasive grit rating and this can be confusing when trying to add them into an existing kit made up of other stones. They are also very hard stones which require a different technique, it's enough of a change that it can cause difficulties using both styles of stones. Maybe add a coarse stone like the 320? But otherwise I would make a complete switch or add stones that compliment the Kings.
 
No need for anything between the 320 and 1000, it will easily make the jump.

The Shapton Pro 320 would be my rec, it would flow into your current progression easily and is a fast cutting stone.
 
Thanks Mr. Jason I will add that stone to my collection :thumbup: oh and any good compound recommendations? I was thinking of getting a Stropman strop with some compounds and I have no idea the difference between red/white/green/black.
 
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Oh and another question if I may, on my 6000 grit king I was wondering if I need to build a slurry up on it before sharpening and if so how would you say I do that? I do have a norton waterstone flattening stone if that would work but I don't want to take to much stone off, so I'm thinking maybe a small diamond hone?
 
Ok thanks much, and I saw a guy on youtube using a 1000 Shapton, 2000 Shapton, and a 3000 Chosera, then strops with black compound and then white, looks like a good setup for putting a mirror polish on an edge. How are Chosera stones?
 
Chosera stones are very nice, they have the best abrasive control of any stone. This means that in a 1000 grit stone most of the abrasive is very close to that 1000 grit size. This yields a scratch pattern that's more consistent than other stones and offers the cleanest polish.

The Chosera are expensive but worth the expense. I would recommend the 400, 1k, and 3k.
 
Jason B. said:
Chosera stones are very nice, they have the best abrasive control of any stone. This means that in a 1000 grit stone most of the abrasive is very close to that 1000 grit size. This yields a scratch pattern that's more consistent than other stones and offers the cleanest polish.

The Chosera are expensive but worth the expense. I would recommend the 400, 1k, and 3k.
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How would they compare to the Glass Series?
 
I don’t know. I don’t see a big problem with mixing stones. I did it for years. The red brown stone is a King. It is a 1000 or 1200. My first water stone. I have had it so long I have no way to tell which grit it is but I think it is the 1200. The other stones are Nortons and the green stone is a Shapton. All worked great together and with the Yellow Norton stone I was able to get mirror finish, hair whittling edges no problem. I never strop so that was the final edge finish.



I have since gone with ALL Shapton Pros. These are for A2 wood working blades for the most part but . . .




This is what I like to call a "natural" nagura stone. In theory it is for making a slurry. I don’t care for slurry for sharpening and just use it like an eraser to remove metal particles from the finer stones (that and lots of water).

The natural naguras have all but disappeared from the market and all I see are the coarser, more square edged man made ones but still useful for cleaning and very minor flattening of the stones.

 
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Man that looks like a sweet setup wish I could find a natural stone like that. And I notice that diamond sharpener, is that a extra coarse for bevel setting?
 
One more question, I ordered some choseras 400,1000,3000 specifically, and was wondering if shapton would work well with em and if so what would be a good finishing stone for a high polish. Or should I just get a strop with black and white compound from stropman. thanks

Daniel
 
The 3k followed by 1 Micron Diamond on Leather is known to produce one sweet edge. If you want to go finer then I would either stick with the Chosera and add the 5k or for a very high polish the Naniwa Snow White 8k. IMO, strops are for enhancing edges while it's always best to refine with a stone.


As for the Shaptons, they are coarser and leave a "scratchy" finish compared to the Chosera at high grit. From about 1k down most things are equal, beyond that is when all the details have meaning. The slight difference in abrasive rating, abrasive type, abrasive bonding method all start to become a factor in the type of "polish" you will produce.
 
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