Utterly Disappointed with New Kershaw/Emerson Line's Construction

[ncrockclimb]

You took a bit of a beating in this thread and stayed level through it all. I think that deserves a reward.

Give me a couple days and I'll see if I can find a ZT to send you.

While I had some issues with the OP, I found your first response to be... not nice. However, your ZT offer is one of the coolest things I have see in a while. BIG kudos to you for rewarding the OPs good attitude. If we ever meet, the first beer is on me!

Again, good on you!

 

[Guest5160]

You took a bit of a beating in this thread and stayed level through it all. I think that deserves a reward.

Give me a couple days and I'll see if I can find a ZT to send you.

Kudos indeed Morrow.

The wealth of knowledge and blind generosity in this place is stunning at times.

 

[rogerxd45]

heat works great, also an impact screw driver can help get stubborn screws started, i have never stripped a screw with an impact screw driver. they are just a god send for stubborn screws.

i sympathize with you, i have had a couple expensive "learning opportunities" (thats what i call my screw ups ) I also like taking my knives and guns apart for no other reason then to learn about and improve it, but there is a risk involved and you must take personal responsibility when stuff goes wrong. Ive tried to blame others when i mess up but once i have time to think i know its my fault

i think once you replace the screw with proper torx you will be very happy

 

[rogerxd45]

You took a bit of a beating in this thread and stayed level through it all. I think that deserves a reward.

Give me a couple days and I'll see if I can find a ZT to send you.

i was thinking the same thing, I was very impressed with how cool he remained dispite some harse words,
if i can pitch in for the reward or help in any way let me know.

 

[whp]

You took a bit of a beating in this thread and stayed level through it all. I think that deserves a reward.

Give me a couple days and I'll see if I can find a ZT to send you.

Good man.

 

[timdgsr]

Looks like he never came back.

 

[midnight flyer]

Looks like he never came back.

Hard to believe, right? Just because there was an immediate dogpile on top of him making sarcastic remarks about being a lousy engineer, being dumb about taking his knife apart, being dumb because he didn't know about heat application to release thread locker, and being dumb for not knowing Kershaw's design parameters when designing his knife.

Sure, Morrow made a great and generous gesture. After the pup got his butt kicked...

BF can sure be a generous place. But it can also be impatient, mean spirited, snobby and intolerant. If he gets his ears boxed ( I think all of his posts on BF were on this thread) for relating his personal experience and his opinion of same, why would he come back?

Robert

 

[oXObsidianXo]

Good to see that OP was level headed throughout this topic. However I agree that if you plan on taking all your knives apart that you should know how to loosen thread locker.

Also, to OP: It really says a lot about you on the forums when the first topic you make, in the first month of being a bladeforums member, is you bitching about how disappointing a company is when it is your fault you screwed up.

Welcome to the forums

 

[Sosa]

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[dkb45]

Staggering elitism here. Last I checked many knife nuts will clean a knife to THEIR specs instead of just going with the sometimes decent factory job. A knife with screw construction is literally made to be able to be taken apart.

The Kershaw Emersons suffer from a few issues. Free spinning bolts, super glue instead of threadlock (not really, but it seems like it), slightly off size slots, and super soft screws. Add on the pocket clip issue (no lefty screws) and you have a knife of limitless potential that almost ruined by staggering oversight. Yes, they are $30 knives, but they should not have construction flaws of $5 knives.

 

[popedandy]

It's amusing how different people approach things different ways. I recently purchased a knife that had a pivot that loosened up quite badly while I was flipping it in the car on the way home from the knife store. I would have been happy to have the OP's "problem."

 

[bpeezer]

Good luck with your engineering degree, from experience I can tell you that you will have plenty of ZTs in your future after graduating and getting a job :thumbup:

 

[BOOMER52]

Anyone have an idea of the screw size for those wanting to purchase a Torx replacement on the retail market. I have determined they are not 2-56... so thinking in mm's now... I mic'd them and got a range of 2.46 to 2.49 mm which should make for a M2.5 screw. I'd really like to confirm that prior to making a purchase.

 

[kniferbro]

Staggering elitism here. Last I checked many knife nuts will clean a knife to THEIR specs instead of just going with the sometimes decent factory job. A knife with screw construction is literally made to be able to be taken apart.

The Kershaw Emersons suffer from a few issues. Free spinning bolts, super glue instead of threadlock (not really, but it seems like it), slightly off size slots, and super soft screws. Add on the pocket clip issue (no lefty screws) and you have a knife of limitless potential that almost ruined by staggering oversight. Yes, they are $30 knives, but they should not have construction flaws of $5 knives.

Seriously. Rabid pack of dogs in here. People don't have to get so offended (and start making personal attacks) just because someone posted 20 lines of text on the Internet. OP even said how much he likes the knife... Sheesh

 

[shenny88]

Staggering elitism here. Last I checked many knife nuts will clean a knife to THEIR specs instead of just going with the sometimes decent factory job. A knife with screw construction is literally made to be able to be taken apart.

The Kershaw Emersons suffer from a few issues. Free spinning bolts, super glue instead of threadlock (not really, but it seems like it), slightly off size slots, and super soft screws. Add on the pocket clip issue (no lefty screws) and you have a knife of limitless potential that almost ruined by staggering oversight. Yes, they are $30 knives, but they should not have construction flaws of $5 knives.

Agreed. I frequent many forums, some better than others, but this thread is just a terrible example of a "community." Many of you are berating the OP for disassembling a knife, and running into issues. And whats worse is that many criticizers claimed he should NEVER disassemble it! That is mind-boggling logic regarding ANY tool or mechanical device...

Anyhow, OP maybe should've stopped after the first screw or two was ruined. Lesson learned. And for the record, I too have run into way over-threadlock'd hardware on many mechanical devices, including knives.

 

[alwaysthenewbie]

Good to see someone who could take criticism in stride, even when some of it was out of line. People forget they are talking to other people when online, and things can degrade quickly. Glad to see the thread turned around.

My first thought was, it's a $30 knife, it's not going to be the best build quality...my next thought was, heat will remove thread locker - but I've never disassembled such a knife and it took me a second to think of hair dryer/soldering gun to the screw and I knew about the heat.

To the OP. I work on cars and there is always an issue like this. The more you deal with it, the more you learn. For less than $1 in screws you probably just learned something that will save you hours of time in the future.

I think there is credit to the people on this forum who helped him to learn, and even more credit to the OP for keeping a level head and sticking with it until he learned (and the info was presented). Success in life is often about asking the right questions, and he asked the right questions.

 

[Zemapeli]

I like my Kershaw/Emerson 6k. No complaints at all from me :thumbup: :thumbup:
I think it would be much better with metal standoffs instead of plastic though. I've never actually tried to remove the frame screws before. Mine are mini Philips.

 

[bitfiend]

That's not exactly how it happened. Only one of the screws is completely stripped, but one is enough to make disassembly impossible. The others just look like absolute crap now and are not tight (I reassembled the knife...as much as possible) because I didn't want to strip them completely trying to reassemble the knife. My main gripe is that the stand-offs are made so that they are double threaded so that one screw on each side goes into each stand-off. There is really no issue with this design except for when there is so much thread locker holding it together that it is impossible even with two people and two screwdrivers holding each side's screw to overcome the thread locker without stripping the heads. If there was a different way I should have approached this please advise.

--EZ

#1
If you know there is thread locker on it, apply a soldering iron tip to the screw to heat it up a bit before you attempt to unscrew it.
#2
Buy a good set of gun screwdrivers so you aren't stripping everything out with your Harbor Freight tools when you decide to take stuff apart for no reason.
#3
Don't take stuff apart just to take it apart, and if you are having trouble doing so with your tools & approach, STOP before you make it worse.

 

[dkb45]

#1
If you know there is thread locker on it, apply a soldering iron tip to the screw to heat it up a bit before you attempt to unscrew it.
#2
Buy a good set of gun screwdrivers so you aren't stripping everything out with your Harbor Freight tools when you decide to take stuff apart for no reason.
#3
Don't take stuff apart just to take it apart, and if you are having trouble doing so with your tools & approach, STOP before you make it worse.

My Harbor Frieght screwdriver set has been phenomenal. Aside from the flat heads sucking, everything has been what I would imagine a Wiha to be, dead on for size and not a single stripped screw or driver (except when the screw was terribly soft). I have overtorqued my T6 too,many times to count and it is holding up perfectly.

 

[Sosa]

My Harbor Frieght screwdriver set has been phenomenal. Aside from the flat heads sucking, everything has been what I would imagine a Wiha to be, dead on for size and not a single stripped screw or driver (except when the screw was terribly soft). I have overtorqued my T6 too,many times to count and it is holding up perfectly.

Their sockets are all over the place. I bought a cheap set to take to the junkyard. Standard fit metric and vice versa. Ratchet broke the fist day but I was prepared with a backup craftsman. Now craftsman are made in China.