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Gonzo_Beyondo

Gonzo_Beyondo

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What's the story on these knives?

i'm looking for some opinions on the quality and craftsmanship.

That aluminum case thing may just be a gimmick attached to an otherwise $7.99 knife. Anybody held one of these yet? I really like the look of the folder i'm going to stick in as my avatar.

(Edit, ok i like the fixed blade better i think :P)

also, does anybody know where i can find one on the cheap? eBay is always a last resort. (that whole $5.00 knife, $50.00 shipping thing)


Thanks folks :)
 
Thanks TBG,

it strikes me as odd, those are the only ppl i can find selling it (Steele arms inc.) aside from ppl on eBay :rolleyes:
Ebay seems to prove Steele is overcharging, at least IMO.

I'd really like to know who makes em, even if the answer is "same ppl as M-Tech" that's fine, and i would know what to expect. If UZI is in themselves a company... where's their website and distributors?

Odd stuff, i'm almost expecting to hear "this is a Chinese knock-off"


Edit:
two auctions currently listed state this as a Fred Carter design and made by United Cutlery! now i have something to go on i guess, and it explains why the knife seems overpriced at $60/$100 respectively :rolleyes:
 
SMKW has them for $49.95. It says AUS8. The more info link wasn't working but I remember seeing them in one of their print catalogs and they are as stated United Cutlery Fred Carter designs but IIRC, they also stated they were made in USA. At that price point for made in USA I'm thinking Bear or less likely but possibly Camillus. Smoky Mountain also has a bunch of Uzi brand flashlights that look interesting. I'd also be interested in hearing from somebody that has actually handled one.

phantom4
 
well, you will. I just ordered this:
https://eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCom...ategory=&pattern=main_front.jsp&SKU=UCZF1BKSB

i think that link will work for ya.

United® Black Uzi® Linerlock with Titanium Nitride Coated Blade $49.99

brand: United Cutlery® UCZF1BKSB
First in a series!For over fifty years, UZI has represented dependability and effectiveness in defense. The UZI submachine gun was designed to withstand the most extreme situations. Continuing UZI's long history of excellence, UZI knives are engineered using the most advanced technology available. Designed by custom knifemaker Fred Carter. Made in the U.S.A.! The anodized handle treatment is the same used on Apache helicopters for the U.S. Army.

·High carbon steel blade with titanium nitride coating
·Thumb studs
·Military grade 6061 aluminum handles with hard anodized coating and rubber grips
·Lanyard holes
·4-1/4" closed
·Handsome presentation cases
·Limited to 1000 serialized pieces, with SMKW exclusively receiving the first 500!
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it's not a fixed blade, but it is limited, and has that nice case to protect it ;)
i hope i made a smart decision just now.
 
Alright Gonzo! I noticed that on the black model they just say high carbon stainless wear as on the gray they identify it as AUS-8. Since they are the same knife at the same price I gotta think the black is AUS-8 also.

phantom4
 
:D

i'm feeling pretty happy about this.

phantom4,
i'll be disappointed if it isn't AUS8, because i was figuring just as you said above, why would the limited be cheaper steel than the regular? so it's what i'm expecting, but will live if it isn't.

now it needs to hurry up and get here :)

this officially marks my most expensive knife purchase to date, no turnin' back, now that we've broken the $50 mark!




and BTW, i'll tell the ol' lady it was all YOUR fault.
you ppl really should'nt edge me on like this. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Gonzo_Beyondo
:D


this officially marks my most expensive knife purchase to date, no turnin' back, now that we've broken the $50 mark!
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Ahh.... I remember when I broke the $50 mark. It's not all good, y'know. Pretty soon you'll be striving to buy $300 knives...
 
Originally posted by TheMightyGoat
"Blade Material: High Carbon Stainless Steel" I was under the impression that high carbon steel could not be stainless? :confused:

Anyway, I don't know much about the knife, sorry.
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Depends on what "High Carbon" is relative to, in the case of ye olde "High Carbon Stainless Steel" it's almost always relative to plain jane 420, the crappiest stainless they is :)
So when someone tells you something is made of "High Carbon" stainless steel it is almost always 420HC, though a couple times I've seen it to be 440A (such as with Cutco).

Also, just for a little steel education, most carbon/alloy steels do not have any more carbon in them than stainless steels, what they lack, specifically that makes then "non-stainless" is chromium, of which 13% or greater in the alloy is required to qualify (as is the general consensus, though some will tell you that 12% is adequate for "stainless" status). It is, however, also noteworthy that generally a stainless having both high carbon and high chromium contents will be more corrosion prone than a stainless having a lower carbon content and equal chromium content (it is primarily for this reason I prefer 440C to 154CM/ATS-34).

So there ya go MightyGoat, more than ya ever wanted to know :)
 
Hey Gonzo, just got an order in from Smoky Mtn yesterday and they had a couple of mini catalogs inside. One shows both UZIs and it says the blades are 440A! In the picture you can actually read 440A on the blade. Let us know what the one you get says.

phantom4
 
this isn't very good.
i can see plain as day how it's advertised on the site (grey vers.) and if it's another steel entirely, one of much less quality, i'll be a bit PO'd

I'll be sure to let ya know how this turns out, thanks for the heads up.
 
BTW, Carbon content is all relative.
High Carbon stainlesses are usually the better grades of stainless steels.......
ie, this stainless has more carbon in it that most other stainlesses.... (but NOT compared to regular steel)
although you do have to watch out and try to get an actual number/letter code though.....
 
Well... lesson learned.

While i was'nt looking, Ol' Smokey slid me a proper shafting!
I'd almost think i was crazy, but those who seen this thread need to go look again... please... and confirm this:

http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/e...ategory=&pattern=main_front.jsp&SKU=UCZF1BKSB

Not only is "AUS-8" removed, but so is the LIMITED and NUMBERED part!

I've been totally bait n' switched. I got a run of the mill "440 stainless" knife that was advertised as something special, and to quote "Limited to 1000 serialized pieces, with SMKW exclusively receiving the first 500!"

They sure did'nt bother to contact me about this between the time of placing my order to the time of them changing the damn descriptions either!

Also, i recieved this knife today, but have yet to recieve any e-mail order confirmation, shipping notice, tracking number... Nothing!


but hey, they actually DID include the 25th anniv. lapel pin,
i guess that's like the kiss to go along with the screw.
 
Here's what you do:
Find the blue slip in the box and send her back. No use spending 50 dollars on a knife you aren't going to use. I have never had a problem with their customer service and they respond quickly. Then, take your 50 dollars and buy either a Spyderco, Buck, or a knife from a well established company. Might I recommend a Spyderco Delica? Flat ground VG-10 steel that will take an edge like nobody's business.
Good luck,
Matt
 
I'm more upset with their changing the whole description up like that.

What if it was their return policy, where you order something with a satisfaction guarantee and a warranty, then from the time of ordering to recieving it changes to "No Refunds, Sold As-IS"

I've lost respect for this company and would'nt trust another word on their site without some other reputable assurance. Their "word" is garbage to me now.

I'll vote with my wallet sure, damn right...
but now, i'm getting hosed on shipping TWICE because it's under the catagory of "Not as described or pictured"
 
Hi Gonzo,

That sucks! I would give SMKW customer service a call and see what they have to say for themselves. Maybe you could work out an exchange of some sort? If not, send it back. If they had the wrong description on their site, they should refund the shipping and handling charge, IMHO. Good luck.




- Frank
 
I am always suspicious when ads mention "military grade" materials, since there is no such thing. 6061 aluminum is 6061 aluminum, whether the military buys it or not, its still the same aluminum.
MIL specs can call out specific IDs for material, they can call out domestic supplier, or even specific grades of a particular material. But there is no such thing as Military grade material. this should send up warning flags next time you see it in an Advertisement.
 
I agree with the advertisement,
another flag should have went up when the name "United" appeared.

As i would have expected, this knife feels like cheap crap.
Doubtfull i'd put any confidence into using it as a real knife, the blade seems like it would snap, much like those $1.00 orange plastic disposeable razor snap-knives. Only this junk is $50!

The nicest part, is the box. And here, i'm reaching. It's a cheap *partially* aluminum box. Does'nt even open nicely. Contains alot of plastic too.

Oh!! Least impressive of the "UZI" knife, is it's opening, LMAO... about as smooth as a rusty door on a '76 Chevelle. It's also a TINY knife, like that of the smaller Vapor, way too small for my hand.

The writing and details on it, are unreadable, both blade and handle. Very cheap and shoddy looking. The rubber inserts won't stay on.

I really expected a solid, heavy, manly knife in this product, based upon descriptions, price, pictures, and especially as it had been touted of quality AUS-8 (the bold faced lie).

What i recieved is quite feminine, should be available in pink, and would probably be better suited as a keychain than a "knife". Calling it a knife does'nt seem right, compared alongside even the crappiest of Pakis and knock-offs. To think i could have TEN Jaguar's for the price of this crap... it's an eye-opening experience to say the least, and i'm sure this will impact my future shopping.
 
Well Gonzo when I first saw the web ad, only the gray was indentified as AUS-8 but it would have been reasonable to assume the black was the same. The good thing is SMKW has a great customer service and a good return policy. The only time I had to return something was when I bought a bunch of the BRK first generation Natives. None of them were great, but as users two out of six were acceptable. I called customer service and told them 4 were junk and they said to return them no problem. You've got to be careful with Smoky Mountain, you can get great deals but they also sell alot of Pakistani and chinese junk so you really have to know what you are buying. I had a similar experience on Ebay--bought a knife that was unknown to me and I ended up be the only bidder! Got for the opening bid price and I think it was worth what I paid but not a whole lot more. Lesson learned. Good luck and don't write Smoky Mtn off, just make sure you know what youare buying next time.

phantom4
 
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