Variable speed motor questions

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Gentlemen

Okay, Is there a good primer on VFD's? If you use a VFD, is it a DC motor or a AC on using variable freq?

Thinking about going Variable speed in the new year on my kmg and want to research the topic

Thanks
 
VFD's are used with AC motors, generally 3 phase motors. The thing to be aware of is that you want a VFD rated at least the same as your motor if not higher. Also, not all construction of VFD's (housings, etc) is the same. The unit Rob sells is a NEMA 4 enclosure that is fully wash-down rated. Those tend to be more expensive. However, the problem with non-wash down units is in part due to the nature of our hobby. We grind metal, creating fine metal dust that settles on and in everything around the grinder. If your VFD isn't dust-proof, you will accumulate metal dust and risk shorting the unit out (POP!! FLASH!!...:( ). You can mount the unit away from the grinder and control it via wired remotes, and you'll want to power it off and blow the dust out occasionally. However, eventually (if not sooner) you may have to replace it because of a short. I bought a TECO FM50 drive that was not dust proof and built a clean box for it to keep dust out with wired remotes to my grinder station. I hung the clean box on the wall to the side of the grinder. No problems so far with mine and no dust getting to the unit.

I'm sure there's much more detailed information I'm not qualified to give, and I'm sure others who are more knowledgable on the subject will help out.

--nathan
 
DC motors are more expensive than A/C 3 phase . I don't remember what , but I think there may be a difference in the torque curve between the DC&A/C motors . I would check into that myself or maybe someone here can answer that .
 
I read some good threads on that but can't search them up right now
Stacy had some really good comments as usual

from what I remember...
AC controller (VFD) on an AC motor
DC controller on a DC motor

DC works well and existed before VFD's were common, but the motors are VERY expensive.

If you can find cheap - used motors in 180 VDC then go for it
KB sells DC controllers also

AC with VFD's are common and work well.

VFD is a Variable Frequency Drive
It works by changing the frequency of the AC current

Rob frink sells the KBAC-27D
rated up to 2 HP selectable by installing a resistor pack
It is NEMA 4 - meaning it is a sealed unit and doesn't have the hazards the Nathan mentions above.
Sure you can buy cheaper NEMA 1 ...but some members here have smoked them
NEMA 4 makes so much sense to me.

when using a VFD you NEED a 3 phase motor to match it.
meaning if you are already running an "normal" single phase 110-220v motor
you do need a different motor

be sure the motor is TEFC totally enclosed fan cooled.
check duty cycle ratings - continuous

There are special VFD rated motors with heavier windings to prevent overheating, but at a higher price and not necessary.

In Mississauga you can get VFD's and motors within the city off the shelf...no need to order from the USA

Canada
Mississauga, Ontario
Mechanical Sales Company
Phone: 905-828-1222
Fax: 905-828-1225
E-mail: gordj@mesaco.com

You can pick white, grey,

http://www.kbelectronics.com/catalog_nema_4x_ac.htm

There are excellent data sheets and manual pdf downloads on this site

Accessories
Reversal switch-It's just a switch, no magic..no need to pay $60 for it.
(SPDT 3 position centre off ?????????)
Resistor - needs to be matched to the HP of the motor and is specific to the controller
(max 1.5 HP from 110 input: or 2 HP from 220v input)

According to Rob Frink, you can run a 1.5 HP AC motor on VFD using a standard 15 amp 110V household outlet.

If you are into research-this link was in another google books thread
http://rapidshare.com/files/182251594/Industrial_motor_control.pdf
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One thing to note is the VFD run on single phase 220v (input to VFD), and their output is three phase 220v (output of VFD to motor).

That is why you want to purchase a three phase motor.
 
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