Variations in Titanium prices?

I have just one question: If you use a 10-guage for nipples and toungs, and 00 for ears, what caliber do you use for the Prince Albert?

I mean think about it: if you rack a round of 00 into the old Mossberg fixin' to add a nice hoop to your ear, but you forget that the sights on the old Mossberg are just a little off, what's the worst thing that could happen? So you end up with sort of Van Gough look. That could be stylish, couldn't it?

But, if you load up the old 10-guage for the Prince Albert and your aim's a little high... well, let's just say that the results could be undesirable.

I should think that, for the Prince Albert, a .357 would be sufficent... FMJ, of couse, this is not a job for Black Talon.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gollnick:
I should think that, for the Prince Albert, a .357 would be sufficent... FMJ, of couse, this is not a job for Black Talon.</font>
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no please, no black talons for me
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Can anyone please explain these gauge things to me? a conversion chart maybe??

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I'd like to take this opportunity to say, you're all freaks.
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Seriously though, I'm into individuality and freedom of expression as much as the next guy but piercings and such are not for me.
For one thing there is Mr. Gollnick's point. In a fight, I'd be at the mercy of anyone smart enough to grab ahold of a nipple or nose ring or even a necklace.
Then there's John's point. People already think I'm scary lookin', I don't need a bunch of strange body mods to frighten potential employers.
Finally, a point all of my own; piercings, tattoos, all of it is becoming increasingly common. Likely, most of you are doing this stuff because you want to be different. What happens when it's the norm? Men wearing earrings for instance. Really weird thirty years ago. Now? Doesn't get a second look. Also, my interest is fickle at best. Why would I get a tattoo or a modification not easily reversed? Consider the observation made.
 
First, although I've thought about it, piercings are not done with guns anymore. .357, .45 etc. Sometimes the earring place in the mall will advertise Free Piercing! This is done by some 16 year old they hired for the summer. Bad move. I pierced my own ear and nose with a safety pin, 14 years ago (1987). I had to hide them from my parents for a while, until my sister got her nose pierced, and then we looked like mirror twins so much, I would wear them in front of them too.
Then I got my first tattoo. My girlfriend and I were just looking for something to do one night, and I suggested we get tattooed. Bad move. Tattoos should be well thought out, planned, drawn out perfectly, and even inked on with pen for a few days until you're sure that it'll suit you. Tattoos are permanant evidence of temporary insanity. I did a tile job for a tattoo shop, and have a lot of credit there, and I am still contemplating what I want done, but for sure, I want my first tattoo (a Sick Of It All dragon on my right shoulder) turned into a Mandelbrot fractal. (with the entire dragon blackened in).
This was all I had for several years until I was 23 years old, and after seeing RE-SEARCH Modern Primitives, (a book on piercing/tattoos and their roots) I decided to enlarge my ear lobe hole.
I started by putting two rings in the same hole, then three, then four, etc, waiting days for the hole to stretch out befor trying another ring. Sometimes it would be sore, but there comes a mindset where you feel pain, but are seperated. When you get a tattoo, it's the same thing.
A tattoo HURTS. It hurts bad. Piercing HURTS. But if you have been psyching yourself up all month for the pain, and you know it's comming, you can experience it to it's fullest. When you cut yourself with a bali, or slam your hand in a car door, it's unexpected, annoying, frightening, and very painful. When you expect it, your mind can handle it differently. A tattoo feels like someone is SLOWLY dragging a very unsharp razor blade through your skin. The first thirty seconds are probably the worst, but then your endorphins kick in and you just become VERY aware of the needle's location. Piercing is over very quickly, but when you psyche yourself up for it, it doesn't HURT, it's just very INTENSE. Either way, you end up learning the value of neosporin, and bactine.
Eventually I had so many rings (I think about 35) in my ear that it was too heavy, and I took them all out and lubed up a paintbrush handle and used that as a taper. I got to where I could put whole Sharpie markers through the hole. Now all I wear there is a single 10ga. ring, in a big hole. ( by the way, I am talking WIRE guage, not ammunition guage).

Eventually, I got my tongue, nipples, and (gasp!!) penis pierced. (the worst thing about that was the bleeding, (I was drinking--thin blood) it bled for three days).

I guess the main thing people get piercings and tattoos is that it's an INTENSE EXPERIENCE, and you get a permenant reminder of your personal Rite of Passage, on whatever path you may be on.

PS: anybody who pulls on my piercing besides my wife gets my bali in their neck.
 
Back to the Ti ring topic, my friend made one for my cousin in a lathe. It turned out really nice. Plain, light, and unique. I think he made it out of a sprint car's titanium drive shaft. The drive shaft had twisted off so we got it for free.

I like the Damascus ring idea also.
 
you know, I would be interested in some custom (piercing) titanium jewelry. I have done some research and almost got into making my own jewelry, but there is only one place to find 316LVM steel (implant grade stainless) and you have to special order it to be made from a clean room in Atlanta, GA.
Titanium has the wonderful quality of being hypo-alergenic, so it won't be "rejected" by any piercings. If you (Darell Ralph) could make spme jewelry, please post again.

By the way, the tattoo parlor I did the tile job for has a piercer that not only makes his own jewelry, (from 316LVM) but does some cool filework to his jewelry. I asked him if he had ever tried titanium, amd he said yes. He said that he could do a cool "flame" filework job to my 42, but I haven't worked out the details yet, (actually, I can't part with my bali for too long yet, and this process will take several weeks.)
 
You know, I've heard a number of people say that it hurt when they got their tat but for some reason, mine didn't even come close to hurting, it kinda felt more like an itch. Even the guy that did it told me that it was gonna hurt and since it was on my back it was gonna hurt more than most other places. Mine is 6 inches at its widest point centered between my shoulder blades and it didn't hurt me at all, I was able to hold a conversation with the guy while he was doing it and everyone else in the room. I even started singing along with the blues music he had playing.

As for Ti body jewelry, I researched it a bit. I have a hard time finding good quality that I like. I was looking for a circular barbell with a Ti internally threaded body and Ti balls. I had NO luck. I could find Ti external threaded body and ss balls or Stainless internally threaded body with Ti balls.

I would Definately be interested in obtaining a Ti ring made by Mr. Ralph. I work in the Auto Body/ Auto upholstry business and I want a ring that is almost indestructable. Gold and silver bend too easy and steel is magnetic (this is bad because when I do some of the grinding work I end up with sharp magnetic shards that do right to the ring). I also use lacquer thinner to get the glue, paint, and bondo off of my hands and the ring would need to withstand that kind of abuse. That is why I want a Ti ring. I carry my 42 at work and have cleaned it's handles with Lacquer thinner and never had any problems. File work is a good idea but I'm not sure of a pattern.
 
Pain is a relative thing. Anyways I only got 7 tattoos. I have to wait for another one so its power will be placed at the right time otherwise it will bring bad fortune. Couldnt imagine a tattoo just to look cool. My personal thing is that they must mark significant events and contain power (its so hard to explain). Anyhow all my tattoos are hidden under my clothing so I look nice and professional.
 
Wait a minute, let me get this straight. Are the piercings and tattoos worn for decoration or as a badge of how much pain you can take? Based on the last few posts, I'd say the latter. And if that's the case, don't you know that's what bali scars are for?
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Depends on whos getting the art. There are still many cultures out there that consider tattooing sacred and containing the ability to endow on the individual protection and power, as well as being a necessary mark of passage in a mans life. Traditional tattooing is much more painful than getting it done in a modern tattoo parlour.
 
Aren't those cultures all third-world??? I don't want to say that I think I'm above those cultures. Do any of you belong to these cultures? I think you know what I mean. Now I know some of you will say it's a faith thing (as far as the power of the tattoo), but that whole individual protection?!?! Sounds more like a placebo (couldn't find it in the dictionary; might be misspelled) than anything else to me. Federico, I can tell that we would greatly disagree with this issue. But, I like that you don't shove your own beliefs in others' faces. That I do appreciate.

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You can go ahead and call me superstitious. Ill openly admit to that. My heritage does support traditional tattooing though it has largely died out with modern times. Many dont believe in their powers anymore, many dont want to have it on their bodies (ie. they want to configure to Western standards), and many view it as old fashioned. For me its an irrational superstitious belief that I hold dear. I cant explain it but I do believe in it. I wouldnt want anyone else to necessarily buy into it if its not something dear to them. But it is something of significance to me. One danger though is when people get tribal tattoos they often do so without knowing what traditions and customs they are borrowing. Many people are getting wrong mokos that are just plain offenseive to indegenous Maori people. Its something that should be studied carefully before getting. Finally I am not trying to push my views onto anyeone but saying youre above 3rd world culture is a very precarious statement that many may take offense at. Especially if their heritage is from the third world, and also considering the perjurative connotations associated with the term third world.

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I generally just poke around nowadays. Discussion is pretty good from time to time, but sometimes it just gets off base. I don't mean off topic, off topic is fine. I mean people are just getting weird. I think it started back around that "Whats the best Offensive Knife?" thread. People are popping up in forums ripping on manufactures and pricing and detail. It seems like trolls are everywhere. Whatever.

But to actually say you are above another culture based on cultural history is just wrong. People in "our culture" (if you can even pretend the US is a homogonised single culture) get tattooed and peirced for any number of reasons. My personal choices are that, personnal. I'll gladly discuss any part of that aspect of my life with people who want to hear it.

But to assume another culture is beneath you because it sticks to a traditional sence of social structure or rights of passage is foolishly ignorant at best. You sir, are not above any other himan being, be it on this board or in the "third world" on any level save economic, and I can make a pretty safe bet that is only because you were privledged enough to have parents who birthed you here.

This is a bit of a schpele, but i'm noticing more and more of this crap. If you want to talk about your religious or political views, no matter how radical, feel free, but don't go making mass assumptions about people who are different then you, because sooner or later, you yourself are going to be the only person you haven't alienated.

Sorry to rant, but I for one was (obviously) offened by that statement. The resty of the discussion, including the dry humor, has been rather entertaining, however.

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Do you mean that just because that one doesn't belong to a certain culture that means that one can never be doing that stuff??
How far would one stretch that? can't eat pizza 'cuz you're not italian? no Swedish meatballs in the states?

I like the meaning of my piercings, some are there just for fun... and i look good in them (of course a very subjective matter...) pure vanity!
And this stuff about "permanently altering", yeah, so what? will i look the same in 15 years from now? nope, i age.
And if the biggest problems that i'll have when 80 years old is some tattoo's and a few holes, then i'd not be worried.

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Whoa!!!!!!! Hold up. I was not saying that I think I am above anything, anybody, or any belief; period.

Let me break down my previous post (by sentence)...

1.)First, pardon my ignorance, I didn't know that the term "third world" is not proper. Nor did I believe it was offensive. In my history classes, the term has been used (granted, my school is not very PC, but I'm talking about teachers). A friend of mine is from Vietnam, she has used the term "third world" also when she's described her country to me. If you find that offensive, I would like to know and I will gladly edit that.

2.)Like I said, "I don't want to say that I think I'm above those cultures." I don't know how that was confused with me saying that I do think I am above them.

3.)"Do any of you belong to these cultures?" That was a simple question.

4.)"I think you know what I mean." I can see how this was misconstrued as something offensive. All I meant by that was that I know I wasn't explaining myself too well, but I hoped that you could understand what I was saying so far.

5.)"Now I know some of you will say it's a faith thing (as far as the power of the tattoo), but that whole individual protection?!?! Sounds more like a placebo (couldn't find it in the dictionary; might be misspelled) than anything else to me."
What I meant was that, as Federico said, there is a power or essence behind the tattoo, but that is something I don't understand, nor do I believe in. I don't think it is offensive for me to say that I don't believe in something. So, to me it is more of a placebo than anything else. I know plenty of people who get tattoos because they think it's a macho thing. To me, that is a placebo. I understand not everyone gets a tattoo for that reason.

6.)"Federico, I can tell that we would greatly disagree with this issue." Well, that's apparent. Just because we don't agree doesn't make one of us right or wrong...we simply just don't agree.

7.)"But, I like that you don't shove your own beliefs in others' faces. That I do appreciate." You said that they are hidden under your clothes so as to look professional. That's all I meant!

I'm sorry if anybody thought what I said was offensive. I've been here for a while and nothing I've said has ever come under fire like this. Of course, I understand that is no excuse to offend anyone, but that was not my intention at all.

If anyone wants me to further explain myself or clarify myself in greater detail (so that it is not misunderstood or changed around) let me know.

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Boy, it's all in how you perceive things. Last Sunday in church my pastor told this story:

Every year when Thanksgiving approaches, the boss of an office gives out turkeys to all of his employees. Also every year a practical joke is played on somebody at the office. Well, this particular year a group of employees stole one man's turkey and make an identical one out of paper mache', the man never knew and he took it home to put it into the freezer. While the man was on his way home he took the bus, sitting by him on the bus was a homeless man, they engaged in conversation and the conversation eventually led to Thanksgiving. The homeless man had a sack with him, he told the young man that it was ground hamburger that he was taking home for his family to eat for Thanksgiving, the young man, feeling compassion, offered to trade his turkey for the man's hamburger, the homeless man agreed.
Now, imagine how the homeless man felt when he got to his family and they found out the turkey was fake, he couldn't understand why the young man would do this. In the homeless man's eyes the young man was a sick jerk. But in the young man's eyes he did something good, an act of purity towards the homeless man. The next week the young man found out that the turkey he gave the homeless man was fake; he searched all over the city for the man but never found him...

The reason I re-told this story is epigram79 asked certian questions and made certain statements that others took differently than epigram79 meant. Sorry if you fell asleep
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Thanks for the clear up Epigram. I was just concerned from my initial reading, but your last post tells me that concern was not warranted. Yes, for a large extent it is placebic effect, but then again it can be claimed most religious beliefs instill alot of placebo qualities to believers. Realistically living a culture that doesnt support tattooing in the mainstream is the reason I dont get my face or my hands done. I know my limits. As for third world thats something thats iffy in itself. The classical definition of 1st world 2nd world and third world are of purely political origins. 1st world reffering to democratic capatilist nations of the West, 2nd reffering to communist regimes. The 3rd world pact was initiated by Egypt and I believe Checkolosvakia (sorry for the spelling or the wrong country) as a political statement saying that they do not feel bound to allaying with either the first or second world nations in exclusivity. The world bank, IMF, arghh brain farting cant remember term use the terms developing and developed nations. Even these two terms bring alot of controversy. Realistically deciding whether any of these words are offensive is dependent on its usage and who's reading. The reason I picked up on it is like before in your other post it was unclear whether or not you were using it in the perjurative or only in the descriptive sense. Again after your repost youve clarified your points and I appologize also that I came off strong in my response.
 
"developed vs. developing country"
Interesting, as the meaning can be offensive or not depends:
  • developed=stopped developing, i.e. stagnant vs. developing=vigorously getting better
  • developed=matured,successful vs. developing=retarded
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Anyway, no offense intended, merely showing the interpretation can lead to totally opposite meaning.

"Placebo effect": it might be true, but also the "collective consciousness" can be powerful enough to make it true. There is a saying: "it is all in your mind". Anyone ever practiced meditation can tell us that mind is so powerful that make reality Reality.
I am a Christian, but then, without personally experiencing the ULTIMATE, anyone can ask: is GOD reality or it is just that: "all in your mind"? This is the question I think everyone has to find for him/her SELF and cannot be taught.

Like Bruce Lee says: "Look at the moon and not the finger pointing to the moon" or something like that.

My apology for rambling too much here.

Your Fellow Balisonger

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Being a craftsman who deals with several crafts,I can understand the thinking behind prices on two different items made with the same stuff.
Knives made with titanium or steel will always be cheaper than most jewelry,including simple rings made of titanium.Most jewelers will charge an exorbitant price for things that are easy for them to make.Some of these people figure it's the "knowledge & skill" that goes into their work that you are paying for.Knifemakers,unless they're making extremely custom stuff,aren't going to charge the same exorbitant price.Even if it takes them longer to make and there is more knowledge and skill involved,the prices will remain different.
I make chainmail armor,and one person told me that he found someone who would make a titanium shirt for about 5-6 grand.When this person asked me how much I'd charge,I told them only about 2 grand...it would depend on how much the titanium would cost.
The difference between my price and the other craftsman's is a bit different though.I charge for the skill and knowledge,he's just out to make a bunch of cash
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