vector hawks on da tube

good stuff:thumbup: i know i don't regret trading a $500 knife for my Vec hawk. one of the best tools in my kit.

Mark
 
Funny you mention that crossada. I just sent $490 to a knifemaker to make me my dream knife. Looks like I have the best of both worlds.
 
Two things,

First, it didn't break it came loose. It's still functional as far as I can see from the video.

Second, why the hell can't that guy stop smoking for two minutes to film? I smoked for ten years and never felt the need to look like a douche on camera.:rolleyes:
 
First of all thats not use its abuse. I have never seen anyone bury the head of any axe. tomahawk, or splitting axe for that matter into the wood and then beat on the handle to further the split. ( Uncalled for ) So my two cents worth says the throwing didnt break the hawk. It was already ruined from the abuse...
My vec hawk has held up just fine. And someday will get another.
 
thanks, brother shotgun, exactly right.

folks don't seem to be keeping in mind this was a Destruction Test.

most of what they did to the hawk isn't even on the video.

moreover -

the handle was never destroyed, they just made it into a composite Slip Handle - hahaha!

if the paracord wrap that we have standard around the neck of our hawks was on the hawk (it was purposefully left off by myself, for the sake of the test) then the head would've been protected from overstrikes and not been allowed to dislodge without much more effort. they might not have broken it. - most folks see the paracord as Mall Ninja stuff - more's the pity, since it is a Structural Wrap. kinda like vertebrae.

as it is, the Canterburys are satisfied and i am satisfied.

also - most wood handles would've shattered long before that handle came loose. the differences are many; the most important one being that unlike a wooden handle, the Gen 1 Mk 4 was ready to slip right back on, with or without some line or epoxy holding it in place, and keep on working. the handle also has a .50 caliber Through Tube which is handy for many things, where a good wood handle does not. you also experience improved balance with the hollow handle, which effectively makes the hawk head chop "more" than a heavier head, because the Center of Mass is moved more towards the head, than with a massive wood handle.

poor Brother Canterbury now has to not only learn all the intricacies of this tool - things which he already suspects because of his involved use of the thing - but he also has to teach folks the differences between what we do, and what other folks call "tomahawks" - usually incorrectly, plus he has to meet the challenge of communicating all the technique involved that makes a tomahawk equal parts tool and weapon.


hawks aren't for everyone. i've got no problem with that. i'm no evangelist.

BTW - i have put our handles on plenty of hatchets and axes.


i like hatchets and axes a lot, and have owned the best of them - i can appreciate why folks prefer them for their uses - but a hawk will beat them when travelling afoote, the further the travel is involved, and that is my primary concern. i have little respect for the champion wood chopper with a huge gut - he needs to drive to the top of the hill with his axe to get to his camp site. i'll run up the hill with my hawk and long knife, and beat him there most of the time. the composite handle just adds functionality to the hawk head, which is already a superb tool and weapon, equally...;

if axes were a good energy-conservative idea, beavers wouldn't have chisel teeth; a proper hawk is like a flying chisel.

and there is nothing wrong with sticking with a wood handle on your hawk IMHO. we didn't want to just add a composite handle - we wanted to make the hawk perform better, make the handle more ergonomic, and to add functionality to the hawk.

we've done that.

and we are always improving the handle.

maybe that's some food for thought why to try us. maybe not though.

that's why we have the Unconditional Happiness Guarantee.


i think the Canterburys did a great job on this test, especially since it was with a tool that they were unfamiliar with.

Their test was valubale research for us. The hawks are way tougher than I will ever need (see below please: toughness isn't my primary aim with the composites), but we will make some simple improvements and next time it will be different. it's that simple.

thanks for checking the vids out, brethren!

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good question on the composite handle, brother ishi'. i completely understand the confusion based on the facts you've seen in the video. there is a whole lot more to learn though about our Gen 1 Mk 4 composite handle. this ain't no plastic pole, like others are.

i feel crappy being this frank about it, but - our handles are special, and everyone who uses them knows it immediately. the Canterburys agree, they are sending us some of their personal American-made hawks to re-handle! - what better citation is there than that, right? they like our handle that much.

....and they are the fussiest gear-freaks that i have met. (Good for them! that is the responsible way to be in their position, i reckon.)

if you want to give one of ours a try, remember we have the risk-free Unconditional Happiness Guarantee, so your hard-earned dollar is always safe.

the reason i make composite handles is not for the toughness, although these handles are tougher than the stock wood handles, at least the many that we have tested - we use composite because it allows us to improve balance, conserve energy, we can make them with improved ergonomic cross-sections over wood - which breaks when grain structures are interrupted in re-shaping, ...we add functionality to the hawks, such as the Through-Tube, and much more, which is not possible with wood handles, as great as wood is, in my eyes.

it's a lot of little things that make the Gen 1 Mk 4 handle special. - things that no one has time or inclination to watch for hours on a You Tube video usually.

we are not going with Convention here at the humble Hawk Project.

we are a band of hot-blooded brethren who are rediscovering a noble thing, the Proper Hawk!, which is equally tool and weapon like no other save the Knife! we are just adding functionality with our composites to something that was good in the first place: a good wooden-handled tomahawk.

thanks for contributing.

sorry to rant so much, brethren.

i just love hawks.

vec
 
without disrespect vector.
Everybody knows that you make nice hawk.
On the video that Mr. Dave made, the only abuse that I sew was the throwing.
I was not surprised to see that the handle didn't broken but instead come off.
The same thing happens to me also.
How I do repair you hawks if it happens to me on the midst of the forest?

By the way I don't throw no hawk no more because too many handles to buy+change:D

Thanks.
 
ishiyumisan said:
without disrespect vector.
Everybody knows that you make nice hawk.
On the video that Mr. Dave made, the only abuse that I sew was the throwing.
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no worries, brother! the humble Hawk Project is a group effort - we have nothing to prove here, we are just trying to make hawks better. all we can do is back the product. thanks for your kindness though, brother!

maybe you didn't notice because it was hard to see on camera - on any other makers' hawks, i think beating on the neck with a heavy hickory baton with the head buried in the cured Hickory log could be counted as abuse in normal circumstances. we like to see such things with our product because it just gives us design ideas - some of which have already been implemented.

 An Estwing or similar all-metal would've taken that in stride i think, but then you would lose too many benefits of the hawks' physics in trade for the durability of an all-steel design, such as electrical insulation, arctic-cold breakage resistance (our hawks get stronger in the cold, steel gets weaker generally), lightweightness and better handling (especially our goal), to name just a few advantages that come immediately to mind with the non-steel-necked hawks.

i don't consider (typical) throwing abuse of the hawk! if folks want to throw their vectorized hawks (a lot) then if they tell us, we just will put a little dab of extra material under the head to make the head not slip. -and that is probably overkill. the way i tie the Paracord Neck Wrap might've saved that head too. Kindly note that there was no paracord on the hawk. the cord's part of the system.

the hawks in the video were Experimental too! i took some design risks with it, but i think if i was using that hawk, it never would've failed.

I was not surprised to see that the handle didn't broken but instead come off.
The same thing happens to me also.
How I do repair you hawks if it happens to me on the midst of the forest?
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it just became a slip handle. the only reason it slipped in the first place, as far as i can tell, is because the absence of our typical paracord neck wrap allowed a strong vibration when the hawk was being driven through the Dry Hickory at the neck with the baton hits. Plus we didn't see all the other abuse that it took three strong men to get what we did.

I am mostly concerned with the handle, because that is pretty much all i have direct control of until we get our own heads and QC processes. Frankly, that model handle did better than I imagined it would, and still could be used as a container, a pack frame, and a blow gun or fire-bellows straw, etc. - so i am pretty stoked, fellow-babies. any other handle (that i know of) would be good for firewood and that's about it. how many wood handles can you put fire tinder in to keep dry? :cool::thumbup:

By the way I don't throw no hawk no more because too many handles to buy+change:D

Thanks.
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i hear ya, brother.

like i tried to indicate though (perhaps too poorly) -

(1) this hawk in the video was still serviceable after all the "abuse" by three strong men - they could've quickly used pine tar, epoxy, superflue (which you should have in your field medical kits), paracord string, line made from natural fibers, or just good ol' FRICTION, to put this head back on and used it immediately.

(2) we think you should be able to do whatever you want with your Vector Hawks. ...in my mind, there is no reason to do failure tests on them (unless you need to prove to your students what a tool can do, as in this case, IMHO), because there are plenty of tests like Brother Canterbury's on each model. we do our own destruction tests here too. we have the Happiness Guarantee for that reason. we don't want the Investors to just use their hawks, we want them to LOVE them. i think that is a great deal. maybe i am wrong, but i doubt it.

'besides - Stuff Happens, we want you to feel confident out there, because you should be when carrying a proper hawk that you use wisely, or when the SHTF. we try to be that kind of hawk for you.

(3) since we are a cooperative effort here at the humble Hawk Project with our Investors (- which is what we call our clientele), we get a lot of great feedback. the hawks improve DAILY.
for instance: by the time this video hit the Net, we had improved the hawks already in ways that would've probably defeated my three fine friends here (they are buddies of mine from Dirt Time 2009, great guys BTW) - that sounds ungrateful though - i don't want to sound ungrateful - the Canterburys did the Hawk Project a great service here because they proved to themselves that our hawks are what they want, vice the opposite outcome, plus they helped confirm both the strengths and idiosynchrasies of our Gen1 Mk 4 B design.


........

'caught myself ranting again, dang it.

we are playing a dangerous game at the Hawk Project - resisting the urge to comply to folks who want Tough over Smart, while still making our Proper Hawks tough enough to exceed expectations in the field or at war, while we add funtionality to a tool that most folks have no idea about, even experienced woodsmen.


hawks aren't for every buddy. :(

for those folks who fancy a good hawk, we intend to blow their minds, and let them continue to benefit by joining us in this crazy-fun co-op, the humble Hawk Project.

good thread. i appreciate keeping things transparent to those folks who are looking at us. every builder should do that IMHO. it is tough to do, but everyone wins that way, i reckon.


thanks again, brother ishi'.


oo-RAGH.

vec
 
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