Hello everybody, I recently discovered that Veff serrations now come in a "flattop" version as well as the "angled" that we've become used to seeing. Some have said that the angled serrations chip easily. Can anyone shed some light on this? Does the angled version chip? Is the new flattop serrations going to replace the older version. Are the new flattop serrations "better" than the angled? Thanks
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Veff Serrations
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Hey elbow room, I have a couple knives with veff serrations and I think they are great, but yes the tips DO chip. I have chipped some on my CRKT m21, and bought a CRKT notorious used and they were chipped... The reason they work so well us because they are so thin, angled and pointed... But that's also why they break, they grab soo well, but in a harder material they can break.. I've seen the new flat ones, don't own any, and don't kniw if they are replacing, but I do kniw the old ones were hard to manufacture, had to be done by hand individually, so they may also be looking for something easier made, hope that helps
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My first real tactical folder that I carried for almost two years was a CRKT M21-14SFG with the Veff serrations. I used to love them because they cut through things like rope and cord with ease and looked nasty. Then I realized that they wear down quickly. If I had to buy the same knife over again, it would be the plain edge version.
On the plus side, there are plenty of new and used CRKT's floating around for cheap prices, so can experience Veff serrations and form your own opinion.
On the plus side, there are plenty of new and used CRKT's floating around for cheap prices, so can experience Veff serrations and form your own opinion.
the fact that the flat top cut serrations were created
highlights technicalities with the veff serrations
the veff do have a structural weakness
i do not know if it has to do with the blade material
or that the points on these serrations are somewhat structurally weaker by default...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC7Wl7YVe-M
either way, its always a bonus to avoid serrations.
having said that,
serrations adds character and cutting utility for some.
highlights technicalities with the veff serrations
the veff do have a structural weakness
i do not know if it has to do with the blade material
or that the points on these serrations are somewhat structurally weaker by default...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC7Wl7YVe-M
either way, its always a bonus to avoid serrations.
having said that,
serrations adds character and cutting utility for some.
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My experience with Veff serrations is with a CRKT Ignitor I own. I've used it on thick rope and cardboard. They work as advertised, but I find them to be no better than the serrations offered by Spyderco or Benchmade. While I haven't experienced any chipping yet with the Veff serrations, I do think they get in the way of general cutting tasks even more so than conventional Spyderco-style serrations. I'll always prefer a plain edge for everyday cutting tasks, but serrations can be useful at times.
Yes it does. I've asked CRKT directly the same questions, but haven't received any response. That really irritates me.
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The old serrations were ground too thin in my opinion. That allowed them to cut very well but they were really fragile, and CRKT doesn't typically use steels that are tough enough to handle that type of grind. I can't remember which models I've had but one was in AUS6 (I think) and it bent pretty badly in the valley of the serrations first and then later the tips started chipping off. Primary use back then was cutting 3/4 poly rope that had been in a river so impregnated with sand and other nasty bits. The SE Tasman salt that replaced it though never had an issue. The new flattop style looks like it solves one problem while leaving the other, Veff serrations on something like s90v or 1095 would be interesting though.
Thanks for that link. I like serrations. (e.g. Cold Steel Hold Out) but not if they're going to chip.
I have Veff Serrations on probably 20 knives in steel ranging from AUS8 to s30V and Elmax. They have never chipped, folded, broken, or anything else. If you use them for their intended purpose of slicing they will last and not be damaged. The flat tops were added as an option. A knife is not a saw, pry bar, screwdriver, or log splitter unless you buy one designed for that intended purpose. Veff Serrations cut rope, leather, cardboard, meat, etc. They do not hack, slash (depending), or chop. Most users I have read on the web who want to put a blade through its paces do not seem to realize they are committing knife abuse. These kinds of tests are designed to make the blade fail and then they seem surprised. The Veff Serrations are designed to give a clean cut and not shred everything like a traditional serration. You wouldn't try to haul a washer and dryer in a Ferrari. Use the right blade for its intended purpose and Veff Serrations will work great.
Veff serrations are not saw teeth. They exist for slicing and will out slice a plain edge any day. A plain knife does not slice thick leather or wet rope like it was plastic wrap. Yes I do have many plain edge knives as well. They all serve different functions. If you have tried them for their intended purpose and don't like them don't use them. There's enough styles out there for every job. To respond to your previous post the right steel for the right job certainly helps. I wouldn't use a CRKT for heavy duty. I like S30v and up for those jobs like rope full of sand.