Venev Orion Stones New Measurements and Cleaning Help

77Blade said:
so would the

TSProf Diamond Plate Set for Edge Pro stating at 150 grit cut faster than the Venev 80 and then move to the 220 plated stone and then back down to the Venvev 80. would that be a goo progression. or do you suggest something else. I purchased a kms "beast" 50 grit, but that thing looks like it should be reserved for broken tips. Also considered the Jende, but they are a bit more expensive.​

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Yes, diamond plates cut faster and more aggressively than diamond bonded stones. You will likely find that your TSProf 150 cuts faster than the Venev 80 (depending on the condition of the 150 plate). A 220 plate (depending on the diamond loading in the plating, and the grit rating used) could also in many cases cut faster and more aggressively than the Venev 80. You'll have to experiment and find a good progression with your own plates and the condition they are in. When the 150 plate is worn down after a few years, then it will cut a lot slower than a Venev 80. The Venev 80 will always cut at the same speed, as long as you refresh the surface every once in a while. A diamond plate can't be refreshed, only cleaned so their cutting ability reduces over time.

I would use the KME 50 grit "beast" or any other extremely low grit plates with a lot of caution. Excessively large diamonds can really cause a lot of large chipping and edge cracking if you're not careful, especially with very hard or with high carbide volume steels.

Regarding the Jende diamond stones, I recently purchased a whole set for myself and have used them on less than 10 knives so far, so I cannot properly comment on them yet. The coarsest one is relatively fine in comparison with other brands of diamond stone sets, so they seem to be designed more as finishing type stones. What I have observed so far, it that the microscope scratch pattern that my Jende diamond stones leave on steel do not seem to progress as it should through the grits. Even the fine stones leave a similar scratch pattern to the coarse ones in my set, so there may possibly be some agglomeration of the diamonds in them. Again, I can only comment on initial impressions and observation with the Jende stones thus far. I need to do at least 50-100 or so knives before I am comfortable with properly giving you feedback about them.
 
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I'd also urge caution with the KME 50 grit. As 777 says, it can cause chipping, but another problem I had with it is that it's SO coarse that it makes it difficult to determine when you've developed a burr. It makes the edge so rough that it always feels like there's a burr, even when there isn't!
 
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And for question 500,

Is it a good idea to use soapy water on the Venev Orion stones? I did and it seemed to make it glide so much better. Would there be any negative effects to the stones or the blade?
 
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