mnblade, I agree. You know the cigar ones they put out, were outstanding quality as good as the heritage models from the 80's, or the early walden. the problem was those were made as collector itmes and not mainstream sales. You are right though, I completely agree if they could have made some changes and still maintained the old lines, I think they may have been fine. Its hard to say as im sure there is much more involved then either one of us knows. I do know, well in my opinion, the attempt they made at making modern one-handers, etc. I thought were kinda crummy. The clip hanger was one good example of a bad tactical/one-hander. The high-end ones they made were nice, but there was no good "middle ground".