Vg-1 Stainless

korbiaka said:
Please refrain from reading and certainly from believing anything Dan said before he was kicked out. He is a fool of the highest order. I had one in aus 8 and it cut just fine, I have no experience with VG-1. Let us know how it works out.

Edit: Just read your other thread and I guess I know how it worked out.
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what do you mean dan was kicked out?
 
i've heard a lot of bad things about cold steel on this forum, but one guy i read about on a different forum swears by them, and the reason why cold steel knives are so good even though they don't use the highest quality steel is how they treat the steel when making the blade. they treat it then cool it at -120 degrees F to make the blade hard and strong. here is an excerpt of what he said:

"Those interested in an excellent quality production knife should check
out Cold Steel. ( http://www.coldsteel.com/ ) I came across this
company in the 80’s when they introduced their Tanto line and over the years
find that they have many standards that are in line with my own
ideals. I have several different models from this company but their
Trailmaster and Ghurka kukri knives have followed me into the wild more than
any other and they have proven themselves over and over again. My
trailmaster has been with me for ten years or so and has never required more
than general sharpening even after splitting wood or shopping down a
dozen saplings up to 5″ thick or clearing debris from tornadoes and
Hurricane Charlie. The same goes for the Kukri, which has cleaved trees and
branches up to 4″ thick in a single blow.

I’m not an accomplished climber like Bear, so I’ve been known to wedge
my knife in for a hand or foot hold so I can get that perfect shot with
my camera. I’ve also used their thick spines to hammer nails and
break through concrete and they have held up far beyond expectations.

I’ve owned and tested their Master Hunter, Recon Scout, Recon Tanto,
and SRK knives among others and they each perform oustanding. The Recon
Scout is a 7″ version of the Trailmaster by the way and it’s lighter
than the Trailmaster’s 9″ blade. Their SRK knife, by the way, is now
the issue knife for US Navy personnel going through BUD/s training
(training to be SEALs).

Their folding knives are one of the few makers I will carry and quite
frankly I haven’t ever found anything negative about the company in all
of the years I’ve dealt with them and their goods. There are other
companies products I like and I will write more on them later, and if
anyone is interested I’ll give detailed field test information on any of
the ones I’ve dealt with. I should have some photos up within a few
days..."
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here is the original link: http://www.lifesongadventures.com/newsletter/?p=44
it is quite long, so scroll down toward the bottom if you want to read the original posts.

edit: also if you check out some of the video clips at cold steel's website from their sold proof video they put a ton of abuse into their knives just to show you how good they are. just check out the SRK video for example...

i'll admit i am a knife newbie, so if i am being negatively drawn in by cold steel's marketing, please let me know if these are good knives or not. i don't want to buy a knife if i'm going to regret buying it later when i could've spent the money on a better knife.
 
VG-1 and VG-10 are both made by a company in Japan.
Its name is Takefu Special Steel Co.,Ltd.

The two steels are two different products made by that company.



As for the quality of Cold Steel's VG-1 knives, my only experience with them has been with their K-7 and K-5 kitchen knives. I have the fully serrated versions of both and can say without hesitation that they are amazing slicers and choppers. Really remarkably sharp right out of the box. And very reasonably priced, too. They're made in Japan, BTW.
 
rifon2 said:
VG-1 and VG-10 are both made by a company in Japan.
Its name is Takefu Special Steel Co.,Ltd.

The two steels are two different products made by that company.

As for the quality of Cold Steel's VG-1 knives, my only experience with them has been with their K-7 and K-5 kitchen knives. I have the fully serrated versions of both and can say without hesitation that they are amazing slicers and choppers. Really remarkably sharp right out of the box. And very reasonably priced, too. They're made in Japan, BTW.
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Here are the compositions of VG1 and V10 along with 440A, and C plus AUS8 for comparison purposes:

_____440A________440C_________VG1________VG10_________AUS8
C___0.60-0.75_____0.95-1.20_____0.95-1.05_____0.95-1.05____0.70-0.75%
Si___<1.00________<1.00_________<0.50________<0.60________0.04%
Mn___<1.00_______<1.00__________<0.50_______<0.50________0.5%
P____<0.04________<0.04_________<0.03_______<0.03__________1%
S___<0.03_________<0.03_________<0.01_______<0.03__________0.03%
Cr_16.00~18.0___16.00~18.00_____13.00~15.00__14.50~15.50___13.00-14.50%
Mo____--__________<0.75_________0.2-0.4_______0.9-1.20-____0.10-0.30%
Co____--___________--______________--________1.30-1.50________--
V____--____________--______________--_________0.10-0.30_____0.10-0.26%
Ni___--_____________--_____________--___________--____________0.49%


VG1 has more carbon than AUS8 with about the same amount of Chromium. So VG1 might be harder. VG1 has no Vanadium. AUS8 does. The amount of Vanadium in AUS8 is the amount added to produce small grain size. So VG1 should have a coarser grain structure than AUS8. AUS8 has a small amount of nickel in it. Such amounts are said to produce tougher steel.

I have zero performance information, but based on composition only, VG1 might hold an edge better than AUS8. It should be inferior to VG10.

VG1 really exists, and for some blade purposes, might have superior performance compared to AUS8. Obviously, much depends on the heat treat.
 
VG-1 is like a worse version of VG-10. It has excellent rust resistance and you will be hard pressed to rust it. The edge retention if pretty good. You will be happy with it in your voyager.
 
FlyingKiwi said:
VG-1 is like a worse version of VG-10. It has excellent rust resistance and you will be hard pressed to rust it. The edge retention if pretty good. You will be happy with it in your voyager.
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Look at the dates, the membership status of the OP, and the rest of the thread before you post next time.
 
vg1 is basically the same as vg10 only it has no cobalt. [check gator's interactive steel chart]. vg1 is actually a decent alloy, in my cutting tests on cardboard they rated very close.the grain structure while not as fine as aus8 , is decent & actually the abrasion resistance is slightly higher. aus8 usually is sent out at 58 to 59 r.r. coldsteel sends its vg1 out at 59r.r.[i think i have it correct] vg1 & vg10 are both supplied by the same japanese manuf.dennis
 
hai 2006 thread. I consider VG-1 to be about around 440C but because 440C has a longer history to it, I give 440C a slight nod if heat treated the way it has been for many of the top companies.
 
Old thread or not...

VG1 is superior to 440C in edge retention if both are hardened to the same hardness. It is on the order of VG10 or 154CM in that regard.

The blade of the Voyager I bought had a blade hardness of 59.
 
From what I read on this forum (somewhere), VG10 holds a better edge, VG1 is tougher. If you want a tough knife use VG1 (or laminate VG10, i.e. Falkniven). CS also laminates VG1 in their "San Mia" knives. Falkniven owner stated they started with VG10 and after some broken knives they changed to the laminated steel (420j2/vg10/420j2).
 
Ron Athay said:
From what I read on this forum (somewhere), VG10 holds a better edge, VG1 is tougher. If you want a tough knife use VG1 (or laminate VG10, i.e. Falkniven). CS also laminates VG1 in their "San Mia" knives. Falkniven owner stated they started with VG10 and after some broken knives they changed to the laminated steel (420j2/vg10/420j2).
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Straight VG1 is not tougher than VG10.
Laminated VG1 is tougher than straight VG10.
 
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