Victorinox Alox musings

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A few months ago, I decided that I was going to stop carrying my old Gerber Harsey AirFrame as my "big" EDC knife, and switch to a Victorinox 93 mm Alox model. Unfortunately, there isn't a model that actually has everything I want in a Swiss Army Knife and nothing I don't, not even my trusty Rambler, my "small" EDC knife. The AirFrame and Rambler have been my go-to combo for about 20 years, now, but the truth is that the AirFrame is just really a lot more blade than I actually need on a daily basis, so I want to slim down my handbag.

Although I bought a Pioneer a few months ago, when they were on sale for $22, I haven't even touched it, because it has no scissors. It was a total impulse buy. I have been trying to decide for the longest time between the Farmer X, the Pioneer X, and the Companion Slim.
The Farmer X has all the tools, but I don't actually need all the tools in my EDC knife. I don't need a saw blade, the large blade, or the awl around town, but I'd love to have a Bushcrafter, which is just those three tools, for use in the woods. Unfortunately, that was only ever offered as a Swiss Bianco special run and they cost a fortune.

The Pioneer X also has the large knife blade and awl that I really don't need in my EDC.
Today, I finally realized that the Companion Slim has no keyring, which I actually really want.
There's no Cadet X, which would honestly be almost perfect for my EDC needs, when paired with my Rambler.
There's no Rambler Alox (again, aside from Swiss Bianco and the Chinese market, where Victorinox apparently offered a Rambler Alox in 2024).

Sometimes, I really just don't understand Victorinox. Everytime I wade into discussion forums, two of the most popularly requested models are a Cadet X and a Rambler Alox, and yet, instead, Victorinox gives us stuff we aren't asking for, like the new package opener tool, and the new Synergy line.

So, now, I guess I'm trying to decide between a Pioneer X and dealing with the fact that I'm carrying around a whole layer of tools I don't want or need, or the Companion Slim and dealing with the lack of a keyring attachment.
Honestly, I have little use for the can opener tool, but I think I have even less use for the package opener. Of all the things they could have replaced the can opener with, that is the weirdest.

I've said this before, a long time ago, but my ideal Swiss Army Knife set would be effectively an "Electrician X", but with the tools split into two different units:

1. 93 mm Alox "Bushcrafter": large blade, reamer/awl, wood saw, and keyring.
2. 93 mm Alox with scissors, caplifter/flat driver, electrician's blade, in-line Phillips driver, and keyring.
3. 58 mm Alox Rambler: the Rambler as is, but with Alox scales (and sans the tweezer and toothpick, of course, which I can live without).
4. 84 mm Cadet X: the Cadet as is, but with a scissors layer.

From a long, long time ago, Robert Lessard made those two models, although I would prefer the stock silver Alox scales. The white one is everything I actually need in my daily life around town, and the black one has just the tools I would only need in the woods. Unfortunately for me, I don't have the tools I would need to make them myself:

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I have carried a Huntsman daily for 25 years.
While not used every day, I have used every blade and tools numerous times both at work and off, over the years before I retired, and a couple times in the 8 years (and counting) since I retired.
For 17 years, I paired the Huntsman with a "Signature" (now discontinued. has the same tool set as the SD Classic, sans the toothpick, and ads a retracable pallpoint pen on that side. (I swapped in a toothpick in plave of the no grip tweezers) and no light I upgraded to the Mini Champ 3 or 4 years ago. I keep the mini Champ on my keyring, but rarely use it. I upgraded the Huntsman to "Plus" scales, so have the reserve ball point pen there.

Three things I require on my carry SAK:
1) Key Ring (I carry my "big" SAK on my clipped to a belt loop or a SAK belt drop)
2) Scissors. They are just so darn handy (and make a great emergency fork)
3) The multi-purpose "package hook" Used i conjunction with the key ring/split ring, I can use a "T" shank jigsaw blade, when the VIC wood/bone saw is not up to the task. (cutting metal, or a longer wood saw is needed, for example.)

To me the width of extra layer(s) of the rarely used tools, and the little weight they add is a non-issue, even if I were to carry the Huntsman in my pocket.
I have several other SAK's, including a couple 2 layer. I rarely carry them. I can probably "live" without the saw, scissors, package hook, small blade, multi-purpose corkscrew (and the mini screwdriver I have in it) ... come to "think" of it, I did, for the 38 or so years I carried a standard 4 blade Scout/Camp or Demo knife ... but, why would I want to?

"Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" is my view. 😁

Vic does sell a few nice leather belt sheaths for the 85/91/93mm SAK's ... a couple even have a loop for a fero rod, or their mini butcher's steel.
If you work in an office, your suit jacket will keep it out of sight, if that is a concern.
 
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To me the width of extra layer(s) of the rarely used tools, and the little weight they add is a non-issue, even if I were to carry the Huntsman in my pocket.

"Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" is my view. 😁

If you work in an office, your suit jacket will keep it out of sight, if that is a concern.
Because I am a woman, I customarily carry a lot more things on my person than most men, so the added weight and bulk is definitely a concern for me, particularly so when it's a formal occasion and my attire and evening clutch may already limit what I can carry. I'm 57 years old, and I've been carrying a pocket knife for about 50 years, under all circumstances; I'm comfortable at this point that I know what kinds of tools I am going to need on a daily basis in town and in the backcountry, or when travelling.

I'm a technology consultant who used to do a lot of on-site work for clients, and for a long time a Victorinox SwissChamp and a Leatherman Wave with tool adapter were my go-to EDC, because between the two of them, plus a set of precision screwdrivers, there wasn't anything I couldn't handle, in terms of needing tools. But, I don't do that kind of work anymore, and over the past few years, I've been doing a lot of thinking about what I *actually* need to carry, as opposed to what I carry out of fear of not meeting the Girl Scout motto, "Be Prepared", in the event of some extremely unlikely scenario.

In my handbag are always: toilet kit, makeup kit, EDC survival pouch, umbrella, sunglasses, extra reading glasses, reusable shopping bag, Filofax personal organizer and writing instruments, first aid kit, water bottle, and sometimes a lunch kit with utensils and seasonings.

Now, I work for a nonprofit in a regional hub town in a rural area, and I've been living car-free for the past 5 years, with every intention of never owning a car again in my life. Thankfully, we have an Amtrak station in the heart of our downtown that will take me directly to my hometown, New York City, or to my choice of international airports. Around town, I use an electric bicycle, which means I cannot leave anything on my bicycle when parking. Everything has to be carried by hand, and since I'm also in municipal government, when attending to that business, that includes my laptop and all the accessories for that, as well.

What I carry has also changed in recent years, now that I live in a constitutional carry state. I now customarily carry a firearm whenever I can, just because I can, so there's that weight and bulk to consider, as well—pistol, spare magazine, ammunition, tactical flashlight, OC spray, holsters. And of course, because my smartphone is a lifeline and a critical communications tool, the phone, a powerbank, cable, and charger are also required daily carry. It all adds up very quickly, so anywhere I can shave grams, I want to.
 
Because I am a woman, I customarily carry a lot more things on my person than most men, so the added weight and bulk is definitely a concern for me, particularly so when it's a formal occasion and my attire and evening clutch may already limit what I can carry. I'm 57 years old, and I've been carrying a pocket knife for about 50 years, under all circumstances; I'm comfortable at this point that I know what kinds of tools I am going to need on a daily basis in town and in the backcountry, or when travelling.

I'm a technology consultant who used to do a lot of on-site work for clients, and for a long time a Victorinox SwissChamp and a Leatherman Wave with tool adapter were my go-to EDC, because between the two of them, plus a set of precision screwdrivers, there wasn't anything I couldn't handle, in terms of needing tools. But, I don't do that kind of work anymore, and over the past few years, I've been doing a lot of thinking about what I *actually* need to carry, as opposed to what I carry out of fear of not meeting the Girl Scout motto, "Be Prepared", in the event of some extremely unlikely scenario.

In my handbag are always: toilet kit, makeup kit, EDC survival pouch, umbrella, sunglasses, extra reading glasses, reusable shopping bag, Filofax personal organizer and writing instruments, first aid kit, water bottle, and sometimes a lunch kit with utensils and seasonings.

Now, I work for a nonprofit in a regional hub town in a rural area, and I've been living car-free for the past 5 years, with every intention of never owning a car again in my life. Thankfully, we have an Amtrak station in the heart of our downtown that will take me directly to my hometown, New York City, or to my choice of international airports. Around town, I use an electric bicycle, which means I cannot leave anything on my bicycle when parking. Everything has to be carried by hand, and since I'm also in municipal government, when attending to that business, that includes my laptop and all the accessories for that, as well.

What I carry has also changed in recent years, now that I live in a constitutional carry state. I now customarily carry a firearm whenever I can, just because I can, so there's that weight and bulk to consider, as well—pistol, spare magazine, ammunition, tactical flashlight, OC spray, holsters. And of course, because my smartphone is a lifeline and a critical communications tool, the phone, a powerbank, cable, and charger are also required daily carry. It all adds up very quickly, so anywhere I can shave grams, I want to.
I've been car free (by choice) since 1995. (I decided "$1.399 for a gallon of gas is too much!" ... when I started driving in 1971, a gallon of leaded regular was $0.169 to $0.189 a gallon.) In the years since, in the rare times I needed a car for work related trips, I used a company car or pickup. (let the company pay for gas, insurance, registration ... and me for maintenance and repairs.) I gave up my drivers license after I retired. I can't afford a car, and cannot afford to feed and maintain one, and honestly, I have no desire to own one.
I might add an electric power kit to my adult trie ... after my stroke ... a 50 - 60 mile ride isn't a "short trip" anymore. ☹️
Respect on living in a Constitutional Carry state, and excerscising that right. 😇👍

I keep a firstaid kit, a few tools, sewing kit (AKA: "Pocket Wife"), and a small selection of spices (the "food" at this assisted living facility is bland,) and a fixed blade, in the tote/shopping bag of my rollator.

Have you considered a SAK "Companion"? It has the scissors and keyring. (Mine has laser engraved(?) wood scales. Oh,mthey put the "package opener" on mine, instead of the can opener. I have not tried to open a can with it, so I do not know if it handles that job as well.
 
It all adds up very quickly, so anywhere I can shave grams, I want to.
I'm laughing with you not at you🤣 Never talk about shaving grams on a gun or knife forum, they'll just tell you to hit the gym and workout harder🤣

This is a good discussion as I have interest. My current occupation with a DoW/Federal three-letter-agency location limits blades to 2.5", so I've had to really slim down my pocket knife (and or tool). I have a couple dozen SAKs and while there are a few that I really like, none have the tools and size I would prefer, so I simply find your tool requirements interesting. Hopefully you find the right answer, because a distance backpacker, grams add up quickly, so I can appreciate your journey to cut (pun intended) where you can!

ROCK6
 
Because I am a woman, I customarily carry a lot more things on my person than most men, so the added weight and bulk is definitely a concern for me, particularly so when it's a formal occasion and my attire and evening clutch may already limit what I can carry. I'm 57 years old, and I've been carrying a pocket knife for about 50 years, under all circumstances; I'm comfortable at this point that I know what kinds of tools I am going to need on a daily basis in town and in the backcountry, or when travelling.

I'm a technology consultant who used to do a lot of on-site work for clients, and for a long time a Victorinox SwissChamp and a Leatherman Wave with tool adapter were my go-to EDC, because between the two of them, plus a set of precision screwdrivers, there wasn't anything I couldn't handle, in terms of needing tools. But, I don't do that kind of work anymore, and over the past few years, I've been doing a lot of thinking about what I *actually* need to carry, as opposed to what I carry out of fear of not meeting the Girl Scout motto, "Be Prepared", in the event of some extremely unlikely scenario.

In my handbag are always: toilet kit, makeup kit, EDC survival pouch, umbrella, sunglasses, extra reading glasses, reusable shopping bag, Filofax personal organizer and writing instruments, first aid kit, water bottle, and sometimes a lunch kit with utensils and seasonings.

Now, I work for a nonprofit in a regional hub town in a rural area, and I've been living car-free for the past 5 years, with every intention of never owning a car again in my life. Thankfully, we have an Amtrak station in the heart of our downtown that will take me directly to my hometown, New York City, or to my choice of international airports. Around town, I use an electric bicycle, which means I cannot leave anything on my bicycle when parking. Everything has to be carried by hand, and since I'm also in municipal government, when attending to that business, that includes my laptop and all the accessories for that, as well.

What I carry has also changed in recent years, now that I live in a constitutional carry state. I now customarily carry a firearm whenever I can, just because I can, so there's that weight and bulk to consider, as well—pistol, spare magazine, ammunition, tactical flashlight, OC spray, holsters. And of course, because my smartphone is a lifeline and a critical communications tool, the phone, a powerbank, cable, and charger are also required daily carry. It all adds up very quickly, so anywhere I can shave grams, I want to.
fuyume,I can sympathize with you on the grams. I got out of the army 50% disabled rom injuries while on active duty to my right foot and ankle. After a few months of rehab at Walter Reed Army hospital I was out on a medical discharge. BUT...I still had a love of backpacking and travel. I had to switch from backpacking to the ultra light backpacking and that led to my obsession with cutting ounces and fractions of ounces. It was hard. Monoculars instead of binoculars, lots of freeze dried food packs, cut down toothbrush handles, the works. My backpacking knife went from a heavy Randall 14 to a Buck 102 woodsman, then to a SAK. Personal firearm went from a S&W model 60 to a North American Arms mini revolver.

its tough to cut down on the stuff when ounces count. Sometimes ya just have to bite the bullet and go with a compromise that fits "Close enough."
 
My question is has anyone here actually emailed Victorinox and asked them about producing the models you would like to see? I see several people complaining they don't make the model but who has actually asked them for it? If there was enough demand Victorinox would probably do a run, even if it is just a trial run.
 
My question is has anyone here actually emailed Victorinox and asked them about producing the models you would like to see? I see several people complaining they don't make the model but who has actually asked them for it? If there was enough demand Victorinox would probably do a run, even if it is just a trial run.

Yes, many times. I've sent emails requesting a cadet X a number of times, but I don't think anyone is listening. Or they don't care.
 
I'm laughing with you not at you🤣 Never talk about shaving grams on a gun or knife forum, they'll just tell you to hit the gym and workout harder🤣

This is a good discussion as I have interest. My current occupation with a DoW/Federal three-letter-agency location limits blades to 2.5", so I've had to really slim down my pocket knife (and or tool). I have a couple dozen SAKs and while there are a few that I really like, none have the tools and size I would prefer, so I simply find your tool requirements interesting. Hopefully you find the right answer, because a distance backpacker, grams add up quickly, so I can appreciate your journey to cut (pun intended) where you can!

ROCK6
well, I mean, that's a given, right? I could definitely stand to lose 25 lbs.
 
Yes, many times. I've sent emails requesting a cadet X a number of times, but I don't think anyone is listening. Or they don't care.
I wouldn't say that they don't care, I would say that they are *Swiss*, and the Swiss have Very Definite Ideas. :D
 
Thank you F fuyume for starting this thread. I agree with your thinking that a Alox Cadet-X and Alox Rambler would make ideal medium and small SAKS for a person who lives in a mostly urban setting.

As it stands now, I am closer to being there with that combo.

Going on five years ago, I was lucky enough to be on the Maker’s section of the Exchange when our resident part-time SAK-Modder Spikediesel Spikediesel posted a custom Cadet-X for sale. I jumped on it. I told him at that time that this is all that I would need to cover my regular uses. That has proven to be the case using it as my EDC since then. The only tool I have not used is the can-opener tool to actually open a can. I do use the small screwdriver tip on that tool to tighten or loosen Phillips head screws.

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About that same timeframe, I also switched from a Classic to a Rambler on my keychain because I strongly prefer the blade and scissors to open away from the split keyring. I also prefer the added utility of the cap lifter and small Phillips screw driver on the Rambler.

Ditching the tweezer and toothpick to upgrade to thinner and more durable Alox would be an easy decision for me. Since Victorinox does not seem to show any interest in fulfilling this customer request, I decided to go to Plan “B” and order some aftermarket titanium scales on Etsy. Prices are all over the map for these from various makers. I finally found a maker in Slovakia (i.e. SlyFoxEDCustom) who does good work at a very reasonable price. I ordered two sets in case my wife to upgrade her Rambler too down the road. I’ll probably put the frag pattern set on mine.

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Getting back to the Cadet-X, I had a couple of close calls of almost losing it last summer. That scare planted the seed to send a message to Spikediesel Spikediesel to see if I could get in line to order a spare. He checked his parts inventory and confirmed that he had the necessary parts to do the job before adding me to his waiting list.

It finally arrived about a month ago. It turned out great and was very much worth the wait.

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Hear are a few quick specs on the Cadet-X mod. The extra scissor layer brings the weight up to 2.2 ounces.

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I’ll close by suggesting that there is more hope in researching to find a qualified SAK-Modder to build what you want rather than enduring many more years of frustration because Victorinox ignores very common customer requests like a Cadet-X or Alox Rambler.

I wish you all the best getting the perfect SAK combo for you.

Phil
 
I have dozens of SAKs and only a couple custom ones. I kind of think my perfect SAK EDC would be something like the Spartan but instead of the can opener, replace it with scissors. Another option would be the Compact, but instead of the hook on the back, replace it with an awl. While I do like SAK saws, they're more for my outdoors adventures and less about EDC. What I would like:

Blade (additional small would just be a bonus, but not necessary)
Screwdriver/bottle opener
Scissors
Awl

A 91mm, plastic handled Pioneer X would ideal...hmmmm

Those would handle about 90% of my daily needs.

ROCK6
 
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