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Vince, if SAKology was a science, you would win the Nobel Prize.
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Quiet Storm said:
Thank you....
You guys are way too kind, and I'm overrated -
I learnt a lot from this thread alone -
this also means I did NOT know about those SAK facts -
1) Blade crink - Farmer's blade has less crink than the Soldiers (I would have assumed they were exactly the same - they are not) - thanks to Saunterer, and to frank k for the variation in his Farmer.
2) Soldier with Keyring - I had never come across this before - and had always thought they were always keyring-LESS - BIG thanks to Don Luis for bringing this to my attention with photos - as well as Mr.Moose for telling us about possibly a couple more Soldiers with keyrings from different years.
It's really this forum and the way posters interact that makes things come together for me......... course it helps to be "retentive"
But I do thank you for the compliment.
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You deserve it. Your comparative pics always illustrate the interesting points you are trying to make perfectly, with the ruler and all.
And even Bernard Levine doesn't know everything about vintage knives and I'm sure that he would admit that he learns something new about 'em every day.
As far as SAKs go, you're the man.
And even Bernard Levine doesn't know everything about vintage knives and I'm sure that he would admit that he learns something new about 'em every day.
As far as SAKs go, you're the man.
I wholeheartedly agree. Before my visiting to Bladeforums (and Knifeforums), I thought I knew about all there was to know about SAKs. Whew, I was wrong.
Communications like these threads, are great. Thumbs up guys.
--Chris
p.s - I just bought the SAK collectors companion by Derek Jackson (for $3.80 none the less). Look out for more interesting tidbits in the future.
Mr.Moose said:
Thank you very much for that confirmation.
Over in the Blade Discussion Forum I posted this thread -
Victorinox Soldier WITH Keyring?
and new member Accutron2000 in their very first post on BF (post #4) gave a link to what appears to be a
current production Soldier with keyring
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I think that Handyman contains everything I need and also, Rambler is the best for everyday use & carry...
But...
If I could find an alox Farmer with a corkscrew out there, it would be the best.
Do you have any any idea, why Victorinox doesn't create this cmbination?
Would it be efficient, if we send them a referendum with our runs?
It seems that there is a lack of wine lovers.
In the woods with a nice bottle of porto... Anything better?
But...
If I could find an alox Farmer with a corkscrew out there, it would be the best.
Do you have any any idea, why Victorinox doesn't create this cmbination?
Would it be efficient, if we send them a referendum with our runs?
It seems that there is a lack of wine lovers.
In the woods with a nice bottle of porto... Anything better?
k473 said:
I'm a big SAK fan and really like the Alox handles
BUT it is precisely the lack of a corkscrew model that has prevented me from owning any full-sized Alox models - until pretty recently.
The Alox handles also do not allow the toothpick & tweezers, and ballpoint pen (and later, the straight pin) that some models come standard with -
- again these are things that I have to have in my EDC.
So, much as I like the Alox Farmer and Soldier models, they just cannot replace my current EDC -
the Victorinox Scientist.
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...but why?
Is it a kind of ethics of the Swiss Army about drinking?...
I think that this would be an "unreasonable reason".
In my opinion, drinking is more "ethical" than a war of any army. :barf:
And also, I don't think that Victorinox would face any technical difficulty to adjust a corkscrew to the famous alox models...
Is it a kind of ethics of the Swiss Army about drinking?...
I think that this would be an "unreasonable reason".
In my opinion, drinking is more "ethical" than a war of any army. :barf:
And also, I don't think that Victorinox would face any technical difficulty to adjust a corkscrew to the famous alox models...
k473 said:...but why?
Is it a kind of ethics of the Swiss Army about drinking?...
I think that this would be an "unreasonable reason".
In my opinion, drinking is more "ethical" than a war of any army. :barf:
And also, I don't think that Victorinox would face any technical difficulty to adjust a corkscrew to the famous alox models...
Why ask why? and anything is possible ...... I don't know why...
But my guess it's probably to do with the tradition of the Swiss Army Knife.
The Alox models stem from the Soldier's Knife which never had a corkscrew
(don't forget this model is Swiss government spec'd, so can't just be changed by either Victorinox or Wenger on a whim).
The red handled "Officer's Knife" came originally with the corkscrew, and probably fills/satisfies that part of the market.
So my guess is that the "unreasonable reason"/tradition carried on.
Also the manufacturing tooling costs - the Alox handles would require re-tooling to produce a model with corkscrew, and I guess they have not had an overwhelming demand commercially to make such a change. Of course if you can guarantee an order of over 100,000 units Victorinox may consider re-tooling
Lastly for a great many years there was only a single Alox handled model imported to the USA - the Soldier - and so there didn't seem that much demand for the Alox models,
or that much bitchin' either
... so may be the solution is to simply stop importing them again?
(said in jest no disrespect meant
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Seems to me someone could remove the rivots then mill out a space on one of the ALOX scales for the corkscrew. Remove the awl (or punch thingy) and replace it with a corkscrew. One would have to find another SAK to "donate" the required organ (ie Corkscrew). Get some rivots and hammer that thing back together. Who wants to try it first
Victorinox should have a "build your own" feature on their web-site. I would guess people would pay an additional cost for something uniquely theirs.
Victorinox should have a "build your own" feature on their web-site. I would guess people would pay an additional cost for something uniquely theirs.
Victorinox works on very high volume and already make a wide variety of models, I don´t think they would be interested in the custom market.
I have changed tools in SAKs by removing rivets, replacing the tool/spring set and reassembling with new rivets made from brass rod, but I´ve never tried in an alox model.
To my way of thinking the problem with plastic handled SAKs is that the scales are not very tough, the common solution is to make custom scales, like those real nice ones in Vincent´s Scientist, if you do a search in these forums you can find info on the subject, it should be easier to do than putting a corkscrew in an alox model.
I´ve made my share of custom scales, these are my latest, not on a SAK, these are a couple of Imperial campers, but they are done the same way, These are epoxy putty molded right over the knife (much tougher than the SAK´s plastic) and painted with leather dye, no slots for tweezers/toothpick but I believe those could be made too.
Luis
I have changed tools in SAKs by removing rivets, replacing the tool/spring set and reassembling with new rivets made from brass rod, but I´ve never tried in an alox model.
To my way of thinking the problem with plastic handled SAKs is that the scales are not very tough, the common solution is to make custom scales, like those real nice ones in Vincent´s Scientist, if you do a search in these forums you can find info on the subject, it should be easier to do than putting a corkscrew in an alox model.
I´ve made my share of custom scales, these are my latest, not on a SAK, these are a couple of Imperial campers, but they are done the same way, These are epoxy putty molded right over the knife (much tougher than the SAK´s plastic) and painted with leather dye, no slots for tweezers/toothpick but I believe those could be made too.
Luis
Don Luis said:
There are also the textured/matte Nylon scales that are more chemical resistant in the series II Economy line - please see this thread -
Victorinox II series (Economy line) Nylon handles
Or for real custom work take a look at Oupa's work from Australia
or like this Custom SAK in Cocobolo and Carbon Fiber (linked) done for me by my friend ScottK/knifecoop -
For those braver and want to DIY - Michael Yoh has posted a How To on
Customizing a Swiss Army Knife
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Hi guys, new here. I have a solder bought new sometime after 1983 based on the blades date stamp. I quickly breezed through all the posts.
What I find interesting about my sample is that the wide screw driver is thicker then the can opener making the knife somewhat tapered buy about .030 to .040 thicker at one end.
Would anyone here have any back ground info about what happened to the thicker driver.
What I find interesting about my sample is that the wide screw driver is thicker then the can opener making the knife somewhat tapered buy about .030 to .040 thicker at one end.
Would anyone here have any back ground info about what happened to the thicker driver.
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The Farmer is a great SAK. A Farmer with scissors, now that would be amazing.
It's called a Huntsman, but it's not alox.