video on knives and cops

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Im unsure if this is a joke or not but it seems pretty legitimate and really dated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIo07GboRLI

also they use the F word once or twice so if your sensitive to that type of lingo steer clear. I found the video to be pretty hilarious, but also scary if cops are trained to believe that anyone with a knife will try to stab them in the face.
 
The idea is that someone determined to use an edge weapon should be taken seriously, in the case of they guy charging with the machete at a distance of 21 ft by the time you draw and fire two shots his body weight and momentum are still enough to kill you. Its not that all knives are bad or that people with knives are bad but they can be easy concealed and very quickly deployed lethally.
 
My sister swears she had to watch the entire video while she was in the academy 2 years ago.
 
At the first bit I was giggling a bit and thinking "Wow a 84mm SAK, don't kill me bro" lol.
 
The entire video is called "Surviving Edged Weapons" and it circulated around law enforcement training in the early 90's. I had to watch it as part of an in service training, and still have a copy somewhere.

It's kinda lame in places, but did present some decent stuff.
 
Where the hell is proper procedure by the officers in that video. They were all begging to be injured or killed. How about "let me see your hands" and not putting yourself in a prone and precarious position when approaching a citizen. Those cops are all idiots. This vidoe should have been about following proper procedure and what not to do, not about the dangers of knives to police officers. They are lucky the criminals weren't carrying guns.
 
I think the point of the video is to show what NOT to do. :)

If I remember correctly, the edged weapons attacks showed on "surviving edged weapons" are all based on actual cases.
 
Juramentado said:
I think the point of the video is to show what NOT to do. :)

If I remember correctly, the edged weapons attacks showed on "surviving edged weapons" are all based on actual cases.
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Yeah I guess it would have to be. But if the video is about the particular danger of knives to police officers why wouldn't they have them following correct procedure to take that variable out? The officers would have been in worse shape if the attackers had firearms...so what next...the video to show you how a gun is even more dangerous if you don't follow proper procedure? It doesn't make sense. The video should be how to deal with knife wielding criminals while following correct procedure, and we should assume that the cops were taught proper procedure to follow in ANY CASE while approaching a suspect or knocking on the door of a person of interest.
 
i watched the whole vid, in training, many moons ago. the video was really significant for me because i had always has a love of edged weapons (stemming back to an incident in daycare), but had gotten sidetracked with firearms for many years. i remember thinking, "no kidding, with good training, i could take him from 21' feet out?!?!" and my love of cutlery was renewed :-D

since then, i've had loads of fun attacking fellow LEO's with plastic knives, while they try to shoot me with airsoft guns. and to this day, i'm more likely to be caught w/o a gun than w/o a knife (off duty).

i owe it, in part, to that cheesy training flick :-D
 
gottahaveit27 said:
Where the hell is proper procedure by the officers in that video. They were all begging to be injured or killed. How about "let me see your hands" and not putting yourself in a prone and precarious position when approaching a citizen. Those cops are all idiots. This vidoe should have been about following proper procedure and what not to do, not about the dangers of knives to police officers. They are lucky the criminals weren't carrying guns.
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i suppose we could approach every contact with our guns drawn ordering people to put their hands up or to prone out.


:rolleyes:
 
MORIMOTOM said:
i suppose we could approach every contact with our guns drawn ordering people to put their hands up or to prone out.


:rolleyes:
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I'd vote for that. Couldn't be accused of racial profiling if EVERYBODY get's taken down as a high risk subject...:D
 
MORIMOTOM said:
i suppose we could approach every contact with our guns drawn ordering people to put their hands up or to prone out.


:rolleyes:
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No you don't do that. But you also don't let a guy get out of his car and face you (you tell him stay in the car) and you definitely don't let a guy who is facing you in an agressive manner go rummaging through his pockets. You order him to take his hands out of his pockets (you can say it nicely the first time ;)) and if he doesn't comply with that very reasonable request the officer is completely justified in then drawing his gun. You also don't let the suspect return to his car to reach in an get his "license and registraion" which may very well be a weapon. You need to see what they are doing at all times. I never said that the officer should have drawn his gun on the individual who was sitting in the car, he should however have been much more cautious.
 
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gottahaveit27 said:
No you don't do that. But you also don't let a guy get out of his car and face you (you tell him stay in the car) and you definitely don't let a guy who is facing you in an agressive manner go rummaging through his pockets. You order him to take his hands out of his pockets (you can say it nicely the first time ;)) and if he doesn't comply with that very reasonable request the officer is completely justified in then drawing his gun. You also don't let the suspect return to his car to reach in an get his "license and registraion" which may very well be a weapon. You need to see what they are doing at all times. I never said that the officer should have drawn his gun on the individual who was sitting in the car, he should however have been much more cautious.
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i think that might've been in Canada (all the "aye"s). they might do things different up there. i know i've seen varying officer safety precautions in different countries.

i totally agree that he did let that go too far, but i believe that was the point. they're trying to so how complacency can lead to injury. like the cop that got stabbed in the face - most of us will NEVER stand in front of the window.

the part that cracked me up was the cop pulling an ASP, after the offender pulled a knife. if they pull a knife, it's pistol time.

recently, in a county very near to me, LEO shot and killed an offender who was armed with a knife. some friends asked me, "couldn't they have just tazed him?" i explained that as a general rule - Tasers are for UNARMED subjects. i feel the same way about the baton.
 
zignal_zero said:
i think that might've been in Canada (all the "aye"s). they might do things different up there. i know i've seen varying officer safety precautions in different countries.

i totally agree that he did let that go too far, but i believe that was the point. they're trying to so how complacency can lead to injury. like the cop that got stabbed in the face - most of us will NEVER stand in front of the window.

the part that cracked me up was the cop pulling an ASP, after the offender pulled a knife. if they pull a knife, it's pistol time.

recently, in a county very near to me, LEO shot and killed an offender who was armed with a knife. some friends asked me, "couldn't they have just tazed him?" i explained that as a general rule - Tasers are for UNARMED subjects. i feel the same way about the baton.
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But the guy had a 84mm non locking Victorinox Swiss army knife.....
 
Honestly, someone who's going to use a SAK to attack someone probably doesn't need to worry about it closing on their fingers in the act...it's probably dull. :D
 
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