video on knives and cops

[Swedge]

I noticed how the bad guys have Canadian accents. No wonder there's so much concern about illegal aliens!

 

[MORIMOTOM]

No you don't do that. But you also don't let a guy get out of his car and face you (you tell him stay in the car) and you definitely don't let a guy who is facing you in an agressive manner go rummaging through his pockets. You order him to take his hands out of his pockets (you can say it nicely the first time ) and if he doesn't comply with that very reasonable request the officer is completely justified in then drawing his gun. You also don't let the suspect return to his car to reach in an get his "license and registraion" which may very well be a weapon. You need to see what they are doing at all times. I never said that the officer should have drawn his gun on the individual who was sitting in the car, he should however have been much more cautious.

i think you're missing the point. it is a training video, and as mentioned, likely recreations of actual incidents.

the video is probably at least 20 years old. tactics have changed based on these types of incidents. and we learn from them by presenting errors that others have made.

no one can predict every threat, but showing the actual outcome may help officers to identify similar threats, or avoid them altogether.

its easy to say what an officer should or should not have done after the fact. to say they "asked for it" is totally inappropriate.

people do goofy and unpredictable things during police contacts. situations are dynamic and rapidly evolving. real world threat identification is not always a simple thing.

 

[gottahaveit27]

i think you're missing the point. it is a training video, and as mentioned, likely recreations of actual incidents.

the video is probably at least 20 years old. tactics have changed based on these types of incidents. and we learn from them by presenting errors that others have made.

no one can predict every threat, but showing the actual outcome may help officers to identify similar threats, or avoid them altogether.

its easy to say what an officer should or should not have done after the fact. to say they "asked for it" is totally inappropriate.

people do goofy and unpredictable things during police contacts. situations are dynamic and rapidly evolving. real world threat identification is not always a simple thing.

When I said they were asking for it I wasn't thinking of it in terms of actual people and events but as actors in a training scenario. Of course I wouldn't say that about police officers being injured. Nobody deserves that, especially not our dedicated law enforcement (that includes my brother who is a NYC cop). It was really just a phrase (possibly not the most appropriate one). I would however say that the actors behaved foolishly in the demo video and IF this was based on real scenarios the officers involved behaved foolishly. They didn't follow very basic precautions to keep themselves safe. People often do goofy and unpredictable things which is why the basics must always be followed. This is officer training 101 stuff. "Let me see your hands!" This way they don't pull out a weapon. Not letting an individual return to their car unattended after they behaved agressively toward you. This is how you wind up dead. Not standing directly in front of a door when you go a knocking and certaily not being close enough for them to stick a sword into you through a crack. Basic simple life saving stuff. Yes things do happen, mistakes are made...but you can't make THOSE mistakes.

 

[Confederate]

Police can make terrible mistakes, like anyone else.

First, an officer has no business standing beside a door that can open into his body, sending him sprawling. He also should not stand directly in front of a house door, allowing an assailant to shoot through the door and into his body.

In some jurisdictions, carrying guns is a misdemeanor, while knives are a felony. There's actually a logic here. Guns make noise when they go off. Knives are used close in and they make no noise. Most knives can also penetrate a bullet resistant vest.

The thing about guns is this. If you shoot someone with a knife, you'd better be prepared to either fight or run after you've shot them. Many knife wielders have gone on to kill the cops who shot them, only to die later from their wounds.

Most knife attacks are ambushes. Cops and civilians need to realize this. Spydercos are especially effective at penetrating due to the pointed blade shapes. At the same time, they're lousy for prying. If anyone approaches you with a fist, or with crossed arms, or with their hands behind them, you need to be on your guard.

The video is pretty stupid, though, as no one's going to pull a knife on a guy over a traffic stop that far away -- only unless he's trying to commit suicide.