Walking around, knife or no knife?

Connor said:
Very nicely said, Esav - almost exactly my thoughts.

The only problem I see is the "should be available to reliable adult citizens" part. How do you make sure only reliable citizens get access to knives/guns when there is no access limitation at all? The USA is a country that shows pretty well what happens when too many unreliable citizens can buy guns.

Don't get me wrong folks, I'm not saying guns/knives should be banned - I love knives and I will be able to get my first firearm this year, but something is obviously wrong with the way this matter is handled in some countries.

Perhaps having some restrictions would be the way to go? At least until we can invent a way to make everyone a responsible citizen.

-Connor
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We already have "some" restrictions and don't need/want any more.

It's quite possible to "make everyone a responsible citizen..." Dictators do this very well, just make every infraction worthy of the death penalty and restrict the activities of everyone who isn't a proven member of "the" party.

Andy
 
The only problem I see is the "should be available to reliable adult citizens" part. How do you make sure only reliable citizens get access to knives/guns when there is no access limitation at all? The USA is a country that shows pretty well what happens when too many unreliable citizens can buy guns.
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It all boils down to this:
Innocent until proven guilty.

The truth is that there is NO way to make sure that only "reliable" citizens get access to weapons or dangerous objects.
And, more importantly, there is NO way to make sure that a "reliable" citizen will not one day change in to an "unreliable" citizen.
The right thing to do is to treat every citizen as if they are law abiding and reliable until they prove themselves otherwise...hence, innocent until proven guilty.

Don't create laws that limit my freedoms just because you fear that I might do something illegal.
Besides, if I were a criminal, I would steal weapons from those who are deemed "reliable".
In other words: Gun and knife laws only affect law abiding citizens. Criminals don't obey laws.
 
I usually carry a claymore over my back and and a large knife on my belt with a Dirk in my sock.
Nobody has ever pulled me up about it yet.
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Connor said:
The only problem I see is the "should be available to reliable adult citizens" part. How do you make sure only reliable citizens get access to knives/guns when there is no access limitation at all? The USA is a country that shows pretty well what happens when too many unreliable citizens can buy guns.
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I don't blame you for not seeing it, because all too many people in this country miss the point as well.

There are many access limitations -- too many, in fact, which is why no one but the shooter at Virginia Tech was armed. If the adult students and teachers were allowed to exercise their Virginia concealed-carry rights on campus, we might have seen Cho shot down long before he was able to murder so many people.

Cho himself was technically ineligible to buy firearms, but one problem with bureaucracies is overload of contradictory rules and decisions. Still, the number of legal and reliable carriers would easily overwhelm that of the crazies, except that we still don't allow concealed-carry in too many places, effectively making these places free-fire zones for the criminally deranged.

It would not be difficult to extend our "shall issue" laws to all 50 states. I believe they are currently in place in about 38. These laws do restrict who can carry, based on age and a personal record free of criminal behavior or psychological disability. Also, the record of those states allowing this shows that concealed-carry permit holders have an enviable record of protecting that right by behaving responsibly.

Our problem is not in the number of unreliable people carrying occasionally. It is in the restrictions on reliable people doing so regularly.
 
funny.... the thought of NOT carrying a knife seems odd to me :)
 
I was just broght up that knives are an everyday tool.:thumbup: HEll, when I was a kid even a teacher would clean his fingernails with one while watching a video or something in school. No big deal to have a cutting tool while tying down lumber on the back of a truck or using one peeling an apple at a church pic-nic. My point is - it takes the wrong intentions to make a knife a dangerous tool.
 
We used to carry scout or toothpick/fishing knives as little kids in the city. How could you play mumblypeg without a pocket knife!?

I can't imagine any of us ever heard of using knives for fighting. But then, in my neighborhood, we almost never even had fistfights.
 
same here - I had a band teacher borrow my knife in school to work on a screw under the podium he used!! Try that stunt nowa'days.

But then again, my mom used to take a civil war musket to school for show and tell when she was a kid.

My son couldnt even have one of my knifemaking business cards in his wallet on the school property!!!

Times change I guess........
 
as far as dangerous items getting in the hands of dangerous people....go by any job site. Loads of free blunt objects that will kill anyone - a nice 3 foot piece of rebar would do many inocent people in I am sure.

Its the people - not the objects we have access to.
 
blgoode said:
funny.... the thought of NOT carrying a knife seems odd to me :)
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Me too. I have never figured out why people try to get along without one, forcing them to borrow mine if I happen to be near by or improvise if I don't.

I swear, if I ever decided to kill someone, I'd suffocate them with a Nerf ball just to prove that ANYTHING can be used as a weapon if the will to do so exists. :D
 
blgoode said:
same here - I had a band teacher borrow my knife in school to work on a screw under the podium he used!! Try that stunt nowa'days.

But then again, my mom used to take a civil war musket to school for show and tell when she was a kid.

My son couldnt even have one of my knifemaking business cards in his wallet on the school property!!!

Times change I guess........
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Heh, my uncle used to bring his shotgun to school during hunting season, leave it in the corner for the day, then on the way home, go for a little hunt. Its amazing where this world is going :rolleyes:
 
lorise said:
Is it justifiable to carry on your person a large knife? And large would be blade lenght maybe 3" or bigger.
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As far as I am concerned it is completely justifiable to carry a knife with a blade ove 3". There are plenty of jobs that can be done better with a bigger knife.
 
I favor Benchmades. I find the one I carry most this last few weeks is my new Apparition 672, this with a 3.25" blade. This goes clipped in the watch pocket. I also carry a Mini Ritter (great little knife) on my left side IWB. I do move my 710 into the rotation, but the Ritter's alway present.

I grew up in a large farming family where we had responsibility 'whupped' into us. My Grandpa gave me my first knife and told me to always carry it. I'm now in my 50's and have kept that promise to that day.

Sure, times have changed, but like others have said, I'd rather have a knife and not need it, then need one and not have it.

And I believe no one has the right to change that viewpoint.
 
yablanowitz said:
Me too. I have never figured out why people try to get along without one, forcing them to borrow mine if I happen to be near by or improvise if I don't.

I swear, if I ever decided to kill someone, I'd suffocate them with a Nerf ball just to prove that ANYTHING can be used as a weapon if the will to do so exists. :D
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That is definately the funniest but true things I've heard in a long time, it nearly brought me to tears I laughed so hard!!!!!!!!

You know for me there are few things more frustrating than seeing someone I work with go into the galley and get a kitchen knife for things like cutting rope or paper boxes. This at a job were it's pretty much required to have a knife!!! I have allways had just one pocket knife at one time or another rarely more (almost all under 3") and carried it wherever I went and whatever I did. I now know the folly in this as I plan to have more specific EDC knives. And all will be larger than I have usually carried. Ever tried cutting a 3inch nylon rope with a 2.5" pocket knife. I still don't feel I have a need for a large fixed blade though, just something more substantial than what i'm use to carrying.
 
Connor said:
The USA is a country that shows pretty well what happens when too many unreliable citizens can buy guns.
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Actually, no it doesn't. The problems to which you refer are a result of not enough good people being armed, so the bad people are emboldened by lacking any fear of effective resistance.

If you compare areas where firearms are owned by nearly everyone and it's easy to get a license to carry, the violent crime late is dramatically lower than similar areas where guns are more restricted, especially with respect to being able to carry them without fearing criminal penalties.
 
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