Want to start making knives

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I'm new on here. I got directed over here from archerytalk. I have made 3 knives from kits, ground a couple cheap 440 throwing knives to nice edges (they were way too hard to drill through to put handles on them), and tried to grind a knife out of an old file, which failed. I heard a guy can take an old table saw blade and make a knife out of it. I don't have many tools (6 inch bench grinder, hand grinder, dremel tool,drill press, various files, band saw, and bench vice). I can also go somewhere to use an electric hack saw. Would it be in vain to try to make a knife with the tools at my disposal?
thanks
 
I started out with a hacksaw, dremel, file, and a whole lot of energy. I bought a belt grinder soon afterwards. Read a book on how to make knives, and also read the newbies sticy at the top of the forum. Thats how I got started. Your gonna get hooked, I'm warning ya.

Oh yea, Welcome to Blade forums!!!!!

-frank
 
Would it be in vain to try to make a knife with the tools at my disposal?

Not at all; sounds like you have a fine set-up for doing stock removal. You'll likely want a belt-grinder if you make more than a couple; prices range from $120 up to thousands depending on make and model.

The only step you don't have covered is heat-treating, and there are numerous places you can send nearly-finished blades to and have them do it for you.

If you want to use old saw blades, try to find out from the manufacturer exactly what kind of steel they are so folks here can give you tips on if/how you need to temper them back. Tempering can be done in your kitchen oven if need be.

How did the file knife fail? If you start with a quality file you can make a very fine knife.

Having said all that, don't overlook the various cutlery steel suppliers. Good quality steel is not very expensive when you think about it. Then you'd know exactly what you have and how it should be heat-treated.
 
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How did the file knife fail? If you start with a quality file you can make a very fine knife.

Well I couldn't get a bevel on my blade. I got it started, but all I did was knock off the corners of the file. I don't know how to put the nice bevel from top to bottom.
 
Here is a picture of my first three knives. All I did was shape the handle pieces and attach them. Well the rules at the bottom say I can't post attachments, so I guess I can't put the pic on here.
 
Hi, I am a newbie as well. It is relatively easy to make a knife with hand tools, you just need patience. In my thread I make a knife with just a file, some sandpaper, a bandsaw and a drill press. I have an angle grinder but I like the control of the file. You would have to start with annealed stock so that it is soft enough to file it and keep your sanity. 1080 or a similar simple steel would be good. Good luck!

I am interested in the photos.
The rule (less of a rule than an ability) is that you can not upload from your computer onto BF. You can post on photobucket, picasa etc. and post the link here with image tags
 
hey where in indiana are you.

i used to live in that state and would like to get back there

jake
 
Hi, I am a newbie as well. It is relatively easy to make a knife with hand tools, you just need patience. In my thread

I am interested in the photos.
The rule (less of a rule than an ability) is that you can not upload from your computer onto BF. You can post on photobucket, picasa etc. and post the link here with image tags

I tried photo bucket but I couldn't upload the picture I took with my phone that I sent to my computer.
 
The picture still won't let me do it. I'm in my college dorm room and the knives are out in my truck, so if i get them tonight I'll just take a picture with my camera and get it on here.
 
welcome to the forum youll learn lots here. great people and lots of great advice. kellyw
 
i used to live in LaCrosse, Michigan city, Valparaiso, and Portage. lived right on highway 421.

jake
 
You are well on your way with knifemaking. Many here started out with just a few tools, and made do with begging and borrowing to use what they don't have.

Over time your collection of tools will become a knife shop. BF is a great tool for learning more about the knifemaking bug. Welcome aboard.
 
If you've already made some knives with the tools mentioned then you're on your way to becoming a knife "finisher". Lots of people start, few finish the first, fewer return to the abuse to make a second :thumbup:

Chris Moss (knifemaker87) makes blades that anyone would be proud to claim with minimal tools. More than a few of the top makers use minimal tooling. It's funny, the further you progress from the early stages the greater the tendency to return to simple tools. I probably use a file and rasp to do about 40% of the work on a knfe.
 
I 'helped' my little brother (pretty much did it) put a knife together too. I had forgotten about that. It's pretty neat. I am going home in a few hours so later (late) tonight I will for sure put pics of all 4 knives. Any advice for putting the taper on my old file-ish knife? It's really hard and I've no place to take the temper out. My mom wouldn't be too thrilled if I used her oven (if that is even an option). Do the steel bands that are used to keep loads of lumber together good to make little knifes out of? I messed around with a little piece and got it pretty sharp.
 
It's really hard and I've no place to take the temper out. My mom wouldn't be too thrilled if I used her oven (if that is even an option).

Sure it's an option and won't hurt the oven in any way. I temper files in the kitchen oven all the time. Just make sure the file is clean. (If it had oil or something on it, then yeah it would stink/smoke up the place.) Since you mention tempering it back, it sounds like you're aware the file is already hardened, just a bit too hard and brittle for a knife. You're definitely on the right track. :thumbup:

First, use good quality files! Not cheapo Chinese or Indian case-hardened ones. I've used several Nicholson brand files; they are good solid steel (W1 or 1095, depending on who you ask) all the way through.

Here's how I do it: grind most of the teeth off one flat of the file. It doesn't have to be perfect, just so you can see the clean shiny steel. Preheat your oven while doing this. You're looking for a temperature between 450F-500F, but kitchen ovens are notoriously innaccurate, so start on the low side, say 375F. Of course if you're smarter than me you'll just get a good oven thermometer and check it.

Pop the file in the oven and let it "bake" for an hour. Pull it out (careful it's hot!) and let it cool down somewhere safe. It doesn't need to be quenched or anything, cooling in air is fine.

Now look at the bright shiny part you ground, and note the color. This is just a thin layer of oxidation which will be easily ground/sanded off later, but it gives you a clue as to the temperature your oven was really at. You want to see a straw/bronze color. If it's real pale yellow, bump up the temp in the oven by 25 degrees. Sand off the oxidized layer before tempering again so you'll be able to re-check the color. If it's very brown, red or getting to violet, it got too hot; it may still make an OK knife but won't hold an edge very well.

That's basically it. Once I have the temp range figured out, I like to temper for an hour, let it cool and repeat. Twice is likely enough. It will now be a lot easier to work with an will take and hold a nice edge. I like file knives a lot and feel pretty strongly it's a great way to make your first knife. Some folks make file knives exclusively... not many, but some.

As to grinding bevels, just practice on scrap wood or metal. Some folks recommend paint-stirrer sticks to practice on. Don't try to get too close to the finished bevel with your bench or hand grinder; get close on the grinder and get closer by draw-filing and filing. Then get the scratches out by hand-sanding.

Note: all those links except the color chart came from the Newbies sticky. *hint-hint* :D

Have fun!
 
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