Waterpower

Water torches are popular for Jewelers since its illegal to have propane indoors in stores. They're not cheap though, I think they're in the 3k range for a benchtop model. Could be wrong.

Grant
 
I have contemplated a few ideas for using H for forging and using electrolysis to produce the H from water. United Nuclear has the metal hydride tanks to safely store the H in but they need heat to release the H. It would beat the heck out of hauling a tank into get filled and paying over $3 a gallon for propane.

United Nuclear also carries H generators that can be run right in your garage and connects to the metal hydride tanks. With a couple solar panels you could get your fuel costs for forging way down.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/gallery.htm

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Hopefully they will get this technology refined a couple times over and maybe we can get the price if gasoline down a little. Prolly take years though.
 
hello guys, for a car conversion to run strictly off HHO check out gethydropower.com. I've built 2 HHO generators already, one is installed on my dad's 76 Chevy Scotsdale, the other is on my mothers 94 S series Blazer. On the 4" pvc pipe models we see around a 50% increase in milage,(in other words going from 15 mpg's to 22-23 mpgs, and from 10 to 15 so on and so forth,) We use a "smacks booster" design and can be built for just under a benjamin. 99% of the parts are available at your local hardware super center (lowes / menards etc.) The only thing that we use that is special ordered is 316L stainless sheet to make plates, and Potassium hydroxide (KOH) from a soapmakers shop to use as an electrolyte. You need about a tablespoon of KOH in a 1/2 gallon of distilled water. This will give you about 20-25 amps draw. here's a pic of the parts involved,

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The only downside of burning H in an internal combustion engine is hydrogen embrittlement. Ceramic engines are an answer to the problem but the technology still has a ways to go. It looks like H fuel cell technology is the best bet for now in electric cars.
 
I been working on getting the parts together to make the bubbler to make the HHO on demand....No storage. Got to get a flash arrestor rated for hydrogen and I'm almost there. I can see lots of applications. I'll keep you posted.
 
We havent seen much in the way of that on our vehicles Mr Finnigann. also we are making Diatomic not Ionic hydrogen, which is where the real Hydrogen Embrittlement problem occurs in masse. I submit this article from a noted authority on the subject. in response to the embrittlement concern. also for those concerned a company called XADO has a oil additive that will combat the issue.

Nowicki, just use a bubbler. The hose that comes off the HHO generator, goes to the bottom of another tube half filled with water, then the HHO bubbles through that and another hose at the top of the tube gets run right into the intake tract of the engine, if a huge back fire did make it's may all the way back then the water in the bubbler will stifle the flame front.
 
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Nowicki, just use a bubbler. The hose that comes off the HHO generator, goes to the bottom of another tube half filled with water, then the HHO bubbles through that and another hose at the top of the tube gets run right into the intake tract of the engine, if a huge back fire did make it's may all the way back then the water in the bubbler will stifle the flame front.
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For the car that is what I was planning but the flash arrestor would be for a burner application in a forge, foundry or torch.
 
I will point out that there is a huge difference between a mictotip on a torch and a blown burner on a forge. There are some engineering issues to be dealt with.
I truly believe that unless the world comes up with a way to make clean power that does not require oil, we will all be in deep Kim-Chee come 2050-2100. Hydrogen is the most likely candidate so far. The main problem is that it takes existing energy to make it in any quantity. I commend all those who are experimenting. About 30 years ago, I built a Pogue carburetor for my lawn mower ( The famed 200MPG carb). For a fixed speed engine it worked OK, but I could not get past the concern that it was basically a bomb sitting on the top of my lawn mower engine......about 24" away from my family jewels!
Stacy
 
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