We don' need no steenking safety!

I only have [and need ] a single shot !!. The 45-70 is an amazing cartridge .Born in 1873 it's still very much alive and well. The standard factory loads perform well to the surprise of many who are new to the cartridge.In a modern gun such as the Marlin, Ruger or Browning 1885, new 1886, the loads can be very impressive indeed.
As for the Marlin , I can't remember what my hunting buddy did with the safety but I think it was something simple like putting an O ring around it. I'll have to ask him.
 
Did Marlin do away with the half-cock on their lever guns when they brought out the cross bolt safety?

I know Winchester did so I'd reccomend against disabling the safety on a Winchester.

Chris
 
Rupestris said:
Did Marlin do away with the half-cock on their lever guns when they brought out the cross bolt safety?

I know Winchester did so I'd reccomend against disabling the safety on a Winchester.

Chris
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No they didn't. I don't mind the safety on my 336, but to each their own.
 
I just leave the safety off and use the half-cock on the hammer on my 336. Although this is a neat solution.
 
Runs With Scissors said:
Nope. Marlin still has a half cock. Also, as I recall the Winchesters didn't eleminate the safety, but just changed it to a rebounding hammer block. ie: the hammer cant make contact with the firing pin unless it's in a fully cocked position and the trigger is pulled. Or at least that's the way I remember my last modern Winchester, which I (regrettably) sold a few months ago.
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I forgot about the tang safety on the later 94's. I was refering to the cross-bolt safety. I have a cross-bolt, AE model that does not have a half cock position and a '79 Top eject (no safety) that has a half-cock position. Not that a half-cock = safety. The original safety is between your ears.

As long as you're good with eliminating the safety, and you can back the set screw out to return it to a functioning safety before selling, all is well. Good discovery.

Chris
 
That safety ruins the gun. It is completely anal retentive. The rifle has a hammer that must be cocked and a trigger that must be pulled. Keeping it uncocked IS the safety!

Favorite sign I saw in a gun store: :thumbup:

Caution: These guns don't have brains. You are required to use your own.
 
Thank you very much!!!! I've been wondering this same thing, going to take a look at mine.
 
kdstrick said:
That safety ruins the gun. It is completely anal retentive. The rifle has a hammer that must be cocked and a trigger that must be pulled. Keeping it uncocked IS the safety!

Favorite sign I saw in a gun store: :thumbup:

Caution: These guns don't have brains. You are required to use your own.
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If the gun falls or is dropped, it may go off in the uncocked position. Thats were having it in half-cock position comes into play. Or am I wrong?
 
I've slipped off the hammer more than once while unloading a gun with cold fingers at the end of the day. Hammer block saved an unplanned discharge.

Otherwise, half-cock or rebounding hammer is enough for field carry.
 
A word to the wise and fwiw - I'm a certifed gunsmith by trade and I work in the firearms industry full time. When I owned a gun shop I also volunteered as a firefighter/Medical First Responder. What I'm sharing with you is based upon my training and experience: ALL non-military long guns (rifles or shotguns) are NOT drop safe. This means if you carry a round in the chamber with a safety on or off (it really doesn't matter) if the rifle or shotgun is dropped or hit abruptly under the right conditions/circumstances it will discharge and it will not care who or what it strikes.

I've seen first hand the results of someone who chose to ignore this caveat and carry a round in the chamber while hunting, transporting, walking, or doing other activites. Do so at yours (and everyone elses) risk!

The military requires by design their weapons to pass the drop safe test with and without the safety on.
 
That's good info, thanks Quirt. I've always thought that gun safety classes should have everyone memorize one rule instead of ten. Every gun is loaded and ready to fire, no matter what. If people would think that way, every accidental discharge would harmlessly go into the ground. Unless dropped, of course...
 
I happen to own a Win '94 that was tinkered with. Sneeze and it goes off. Drop it and it goes off. Close the loading lever and accidentally touch the trigger in the process and it goes off. I inherited the rifle from my father along with a rocking chair with a bullet furrow in the wooden arm. I haven't put a scale on the trigger, but 1 1/2# would not be far off. After attempting to hunt with it a few times, it now stays in the gun safe unloaded. I've placed a note to my heirs inside the rifle asking them to not use the rifle, at least without having a competent gunsmith replace the over-honed parts. Never would I tinker with or remove a safety. As a former Hunter Ed instructor, my children were drilled with the saying "A safety is a mechanical device which can and will fail" and "Every gun is a loaded gun... treat it as such".

Codger (who has never shot himself or anyone else... by accident or neglect.)
 
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