we need to educate people about storing knives in a locked box

Actually, it said "If knives are becoming common, we need to educate people about storing knives in a locked box, so they're less available in a passionate situation.''

The article was about the predominance of knives used in murders this Spring in Boston. In 7 of 11 murders a knife was the weapon. A gun was used in only 2 murders. There were only 4 murders in the city last year during the same period.

This article is ridiculous and hysterical. The apparent increase in the 'murder rate' in just the first 6 weeks of this year is a statisical anomaly. It will not continue to be the case. Nevertheless, the author seems to think some sort of 'knife control' is a good idea. Gee. You would think someone who can write for a living could also Think.

The Police superindendant is quoted in a way emphasizing his description of the predominance of knives in the cities murders as 'unusual'. So? He even goes on to say 'I don't see a pattern here'.

The reporter has an agenda. The whole report is silly. It means nothing. The article quotes Jack McDevitt, a criminologist at Northeastern University's Center for Criminal Justice: "People are very aware of what to do with guns in the house. If knives are becoming common, we need to educate people about storing knives in a locked box, so they're less available in a passionate situation.''

I really hate the idea that murders only happen because of 'passion'. Most people will never kill anyone with any weapon no matter how high their passions. Is this guy seriously proposing that kitchen knives be stored in a lock box? What about scissors? Or my favorite spur of the moment, killing in the name of passion, the most deadly, effective and ubiqitous bringer of sudden death by stabbing, THE PENCIL.

Of course, maybe the guy is right and we Could make the world a better, safer place by locking stuff up. I say we start by locking up the author of the article, and that brilliant academic criminologist without a brain, Mr. McDevitt. Maybe they would then understand that locking things up does not prevent death by stabbing. It is particularly common in the most secure places in the country, our prisons.

I really hope some of these idiots get a clue before they start putting folks into pencil free concentration camps 'for their own safety'.

Paracelsus

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para-as much as i hate to admit it (
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i heard that most domestic stabbings,hell almost all stabbings are commited with a kitchen knife,not a buck 110 (not targeting buck in any way here,just pointing something out). any truth to this?
MO.
 
I didn't want to post the whole thing here. I put it over in community. One does wonder if knives were "uncommon" before. I agree that the report twists what was said to give the writer the level of sensationalism and point of view that he wanted, don't they all. My original post in community expressed more of my view, not too far off from Paracelsus'. I took almost all of it out to cut down on reading time.
 
I have a pamphlet written by The American Bar Association Commission on Domestic Violence & American Bar Association Tort & Insurance Practice Section.

From the publication;

IN AN EMERGENCY

If you are at home & you are being threatened or attacked:

Stay away from the kitchen (the abuser can find weapons, like knives, there)"

In the Calibre Press training video, "Surviving Edged Weapons," there is a picture of a massive chest wound, caused by a table fork.

Another corpse has a pair of shears stuck in the chest...

The screwdriver is the #2 weapon in the edged weapons category for "civilian homicide." Probably has been for years.

This is nothing new.

It is Anti-Knife Propaganda put out by a Columnist that probably has a rabid Anti-Gun background as well.

So it goes.

Lock everything up.

I know a Police Officer in Baltimore County who came upon a Man killing his Wife in the street, screaming "I LOVE YOU!" over and over, choking her to death with an extension or lamp cord...



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Clearly, the underlying problem is not the guns or the knives, but the passions. We need to lock up the passions. Prozac, anyone?

Please remain calm; everything is under control.
 
Rabid anti-gun sentiment? In Boston? In THE Boston Globe? Couldn't be. Couldn't EFFING be.
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Now that I have read the article, I must say, what a piece of work! "Work" in this case, being a rather unique euphemism for feces.

Let's see, a Police Officer said that stabbing someone equals a "cold heart."

Very interesting. Shooting someone at close quarters in the face is apparently warm hearted, then again, Happy Valentines Day.

Liberals are about as funny as testicular cancer.

If knives are becoming so prevalent, we need an "Awareness Campaign..." (insert loud, obnoxious GROAN here)

FROM THE ARTICLE:

"Part of what may be going on is, kids have gotten the message that if they use guns, there will be a lot of attention brought to it," said Jack McDevitt, a criminologist at Northeastern University's Center for Criminal Justice.

Isn't this contradictory to the whole thrust of the information provided in the same article?

This criminologist is speaking about "kids," which I assume is a hint towards Juvenile Crime and Gang-related Crime.

I thought in the beginning of the article it was stated that the offenders in question are on average 10 years older, in their 30s, compared to other homicides?

Am I missing something here in the mad rush to paint knives as bad?

They can't even be consistent in their garbage!

Again, from the article:

Several theories have emerged about the stabbings, including the notion that severe criminal charges handed down for using an illegal gun in a crime, or even just for carrying one, have discouraged some from doing either.

Are they talking about premeditated homicide here now, or are they speaking of crimes of passion still?

Looks like you folks in Mass. are going to have to have your knives registered soon.

Can't buy that new set of Henckels for the kitchen, ONE KNIFE PER MONTH on the horizon.

If it works for firearms, and these same quacks insist it does, why not for knives then?

Indeed...



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
"...if knives are becoming common, ..."

yeah, that's a big IF, isn't it ?

I'm no historian, criminologist, or anthropologist, but my guess would be that knives have been pretty common since, ohhh... the IRON AGE ! On second thought, we can't forget flint knives, so I guess that would take us back to the STONE AGE.


"What a maroon."
B. Bunny
 
Don, I for one can certainly understand the idea that if I for some unkown reason fly into a homicidal rage on the spur of the moment (passion), I will certainly still be rational enough to think: 'I want to kill this guy. I want him dead, dead, dead. But the punishment for this crime is more severe if I use a gun, so since I am concerned about only spending the least amount of time in prison, I will use a knife to kill, instead of a gun.'

Yah, sure. Rationality in the midst of a crime of passion. That makes sense, doesn't it? Everyone committing a crime of passion is Obviously thinking about Consequences. At least in Massachusetts. Yah, sure.

Paracelsus, highly annoyed but Rational killer
 
You could smother someone with a pillow too, so those had better get locked up too.

You could smash someone's head into a wall, so we'd better pad all walls. But, if we pad them, then they turn into pillows and have to get locked up. So, we have to elliminate walls entirely.

Even the earth itself could be used as an impact weapon. I'm not sure how we're gonna solve that one, but I'm sure there are experts hard at work on it right now.


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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
God, I just love the part where criminologist McDevitt says of a tool that dates back thousands of years: "If knives are becoming common, we need to educate people about storing knives in a locked box ..."
What a numbskull.
 
Let's also hope no one gets "passionate" during meals, when the knives aren't safely locked up.

After a guy killed seven coworkers here a little while ago everyone said they "couldn't understand how this could happen, given that we have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country." And they still don't get it.
 
So after the knives are safely locked away how long before he have to lock up all hard blunt objects that people can get hit over the head with. God I love knee jerk reactions. Stabbings have been going on for years. Locking up knives isn't going ot change that. Whoever mentioned screw drivers as an often used weapon in stabbings is right. I think a couple of years back it was the number one stabbing instrument in Tx. Next thing you know someone will introduce a bill for a 3 day waiting period to buy tools.

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Yes, common sense is getting a lot of press time here, no doubt about it. I'd say a more effective plan would be to stock the house with as many weapons as possible and know how to use them so that the only "victim" in a violent encounter is the aggressor.

 
Ah guys, the hypocrites are scrambling - they have to, or else admit they were wrong about guns - which they will never do.

I have one suggestion. Please don't refer to them as liberals. The media loves to fan the hysterical flames with the term "right wing". So in all fairness, we should be referring to them as "left wing".

It sounds much more ominous and subversive.

Heh heh heh.
 
Actually,
I have always preferred a baseball bat, or a hammer, or a monkey wrench, or....
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Never underestimate how stupid some people can be.

 
"That has important implications for victims in terms of planning for their safety. Some things are common sense, but there has to be an effort to remove as many knives as possible from the home and to stay away from rooms like kitchens when violent situations escalate."

For one thing, it only takes ONE object. Does not have to be a "knife," could be another weapon/tool.

For another thing, my Wife and I get along great! I know she has a tendency to criticize the mailman for not delivering the mail properly, so I doubt he will be in my house laying any pipe...for me to come in and go off about...

Why is it that these morons always assume everyone is in a dysfunctional relationship, or there is adultery or jealousy or these other "Human Fuels" to poured in every household ready for ignition?

They are so utterly arrogant and ignorant...

Maybe if they banned alcoholism, drug abuse, jealousy and adultery, this would all just go away...these things are the fuels that are thrown upon fires in homes that lead to homicidal rages...the implement matters not as the "implement" can be, and sometimes is, fists and feet.

The idea that you can limit the amount of death by limiting the number of weapons is just silly. Sure, some who have killed with a firearm would not have the cajones to knife someone...but if someone wants to do it, they are going to do it. Just like with suicide.



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Some good points in your last post Don. Funny but I had just finished reading the article in hard copy and came on line pissed off. I should have figured someone here would have posted it already. Locked box indeed
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" Mommy I can't cut this meat with a fork can't I use the knife?" " No dear your father has the key and he won't be home till later" Just think J.McDevitt teaches his idiotic perception of how to stop violent knife usage at Northeastern Univ. As Don said maybe the booze should be the thing locked up. Still shaking my head as I mumble locked box oh the stupidity of it all.
Bob
 
First it was guns, now knives. What's next? Baseball bats, pencils, hammers. You could be beaten to death with your computer keyboard. The issue here is not weopons. It's the lack of punishment for the BGs. It's the lack of enforcable laws and enforcement of existing laws. Face it, as long as humans are human, there will be crimes of passion. They will be carried out one way or another.

Paul
 
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