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Weak Tang?
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YVSA,
I just got my paperwork today. I have the shop 2 18" Ang Khola on the way. I REALLY like the looks of the British Army Service Model. So...
Even my wife said to get one of them! And I guess that answers my question about what the Gurkha's are carrying now.
Do you know how the handles are attached? Do they ever get loose?
Thanks for the info!
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Jack Russell
I just got my paperwork today. I have the shop 2 18" Ang Khola on the way. I REALLY like the looks of the British Army Service Model. So...
Even my wife said to get one of them! And I guess that answers my question about what the Gurkha's are carrying now.
Do you know how the handles are attached? Do they ever get loose?
Thanks for the info!
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Jack Russell
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The handles are epoxied to the tang with some sort of natural concoction that they make in Nepal. I'm not aware of any instances where the handles came off. A fairly common problem with the models with the hollow buttcaps (distinguishable by the scroll work) is that the buttcaps come loose. This is easily fixed with some good old American epoxy. If you are getting the Shop 2 blades with the flat buttcaps you shouldn't have this problem.
Trust me, you won't be disappointed!!!
Mike
Trust me, you won't be disappointed!!!
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The important thing is that the rat-tail ( like on files ) tangs are set into the natural epoxy, which provides a vibration buffer along with the inert horn or wood. Your hand is cushioned from the impact vibrations. Some, mostly in India, make full tang khukuris with slabs riveted through the handle. Hitting something real real hard with one of those full tangs can make your teeth hurt.
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Recon
Wish my wife would say that.
BTW, where did you find your wife?
Jim
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What? Another knife? Don't you have enough of those things already?
How many does one person need?
And just what are you going to do with this one that you can't do with the others?
What is the purpose of all these knives anyhow??
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Wish my wife would say that.
BTW, where did you find your wife?
Jim
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What? Another knife? Don't you have enough of those things already?
How many does one person need?
And just what are you going to do with this one that you can't do with the others?
What is the purpose of all these knives anyhow??
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Jack wrote:
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Do you know how the handles are attached? Do they ever get loose?
Jack both Mike and Rusty gave good answers on these questions.However I have had the privilege of dismantleing one of these for repair.
That is some TOUGH GOO!!
I boiled the handle for what wound up o be about an hour picking out a few pieces before it got too hard to move again.I know it was a bear to get the tang out of the handle.
The Kamis boil this concoction to about 250* according to Uncle and then pour it in down and around the handle and then press on the butt cap without getting burned. Quite a feat I can imagine.
I have found that the regular super glue will melt it to a point and then it will reharden. I found this out by accident repairing a loose bolster.
After some years some of the native models that are used for everything everyday will come loose and the handles will fail.That is because they are done the quick and dirty way by burning the tang into the handle material and then using the Himalayan epoxy. The tang doesn't go all the way through like they do on the H.I. models.
Yours won't ever come loose and if it should ever happen Uncle will replace it or do what you want to make it right.
I am glad you are getting the Shop 2 18" Ang Khola. I believe it is the finest knife in the world.
I will take some pix of my new Karda and Chakma and try to get them sent by next weekend. My new Karda has a 5 1/2" cutting edge and will still slide in the original scabbard.
One thing I have noticed on the flat butt caps ovr the scrolle ones is the way they are installed. The flat ones come right to the edge of the horn.
The scrolled ones don't. I filed my flat butt cap down once when I first got it and the horn deceided to shrink some more.I woound up fileing
it way down this time,about 1/16" past the horn and then buffed it out on my grinder.This makes it more like the scrolled caps and is much more comfortable.I had to file the scrolled ones down too because of the little point on the end of it.
It wasn't as big of a job.
If you don't have a power buffer you might be able to take the whoe thing to a shoe shop and get them to buff the top out if necessary. You need to tell them that if they get the horn to hot and fast it will burn.
One mor thing.If you happen to take the flat butt cap much more than 1/32" to 1/16" past the horn and then accidently hit the horn,it could chip or crack.I think in this case it is better to do it twice if need be than go to far the first time.All anyone needs is to make sure it is nice and rounded.You don't have to be as radical as I was and go as far as I did.I am willing to take the risk.You may not be.
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Jack wrote:
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Do you know how the handles are attached? Do they ever get loose?
Jack both Mike and Rusty gave good answers on these questions.However I have had the privilege of dismantleing one of these for repair.
That is some TOUGH GOO!!
I boiled the handle for what wound up o be about an hour picking out a few pieces before it got too hard to move again.I know it was a bear to get the tang out of the handle.
The Kamis boil this concoction to about 250* according to Uncle and then pour it in down and around the handle and then press on the butt cap without getting burned. Quite a feat I can imagine.
I have found that the regular super glue will melt it to a point and then it will reharden. I found this out by accident repairing a loose bolster.
After some years some of the native models that are used for everything everyday will come loose and the handles will fail.That is because they are done the quick and dirty way by burning the tang into the handle material and then using the Himalayan epoxy. The tang doesn't go all the way through like they do on the H.I. models.
Yours won't ever come loose and if it should ever happen Uncle will replace it or do what you want to make it right.
I am glad you are getting the Shop 2 18" Ang Khola. I believe it is the finest knife in the world.
I will take some pix of my new Karda and Chakma and try to get them sent by next weekend. My new Karda has a 5 1/2" cutting edge and will still slide in the original scabbard.
One thing I have noticed on the flat butt caps ovr the scrolle ones is the way they are installed. The flat ones come right to the edge of the horn.
The scrolled ones don't. I filed my flat butt cap down once when I first got it and the horn deceided to shrink some more.I woound up fileing
it way down this time,about 1/16" past the horn and then buffed it out on my grinder.This makes it more like the scrolled caps and is much more comfortable.I had to file the scrolled ones down too because of the little point on the end of it.
It wasn't as big of a job.
If you don't have a power buffer you might be able to take the whoe thing to a shoe shop and get them to buff the top out if necessary. You need to tell them that if they get the horn to hot and fast it will burn.
One mor thing.If you happen to take the flat butt cap much more than 1/32" to 1/16" past the horn and then accidently hit the horn,it could chip or crack.I think in this case it is better to do it twice if need be than go to far the first time.All anyone needs is to make sure it is nice and rounded.You don't have to be as radical as I was and go as far as I did.I am willing to take the risk.You may not be.
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I hope no one thinks I'm a traitor, but I ordered a Kukri from another company. I won't mention the name, but I saw it in the new Blade Mag. It has a solid brass handle. my wife told me to order it (you know how those wives are), and the price seemed right. Although they don't warranty the handle, just the blade! It looks like I'll end up with quite a few of these HI models.
There are a lot of guys at work very interested in bying some to.
Thanks everyone for the info, I am printing all this stuff out to keep in a note book for further reference.
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Jack Russell
There are a lot of guys at work very interested in bying some to.
Thanks everyone for the info, I am printing all this stuff out to keep in a note book for further reference.
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Jack Russell
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Thanks for all good info, boys.
Uncle Bill
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Recon
My first khukuri was not from Uncle Bill. Sent it back due to a blade flaw. It was much cheaper cost than HI.
When my first HI arrived, it was easy to see the difference in quality, and craftsmanship from the previous one. It is my opinion that the quality of the cheaper priced one was by far worse than the price differential.
If you don't like your HI, Bill will exchange it or what ever you want. His warranty covers every thing!!!
If you break it, he will make it good to your satisfaction.
He will not post negative comments about you or accuse you of abusing the blade. In fact he encourges customers to go out and try to break them.
He doesn't boast about how much integrity he thinks he has. His actions speak for him. In short, a true no Bull s%$# promise.
Maybe the company that sells the brass handle is just as good.
After my experience,I will stick with Bill.
JMHO, YMMY
Jim
Awaiting my new salyan.
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What? Another knife? Don't you have enough of those things already?
How many does one person need?
And just what are you going to do with this one that you can't do with the others?
What is the purpose of all these knives anyhow??
My first khukuri was not from Uncle Bill. Sent it back due to a blade flaw. It was much cheaper cost than HI.
When my first HI arrived, it was easy to see the difference in quality, and craftsmanship from the previous one. It is my opinion that the quality of the cheaper priced one was by far worse than the price differential.
If you don't like your HI, Bill will exchange it or what ever you want. His warranty covers every thing!!!
If you break it, he will make it good to your satisfaction.
He will not post negative comments about you or accuse you of abusing the blade. In fact he encourges customers to go out and try to break them.
He doesn't boast about how much integrity he thinks he has. His actions speak for him. In short, a true no Bull s%$# promise.
Maybe the company that sells the brass handle is just as good.
After my experience,I will stick with Bill.
JMHO, YMMY
Jim
Awaiting my new salyan.
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What? Another knife? Don't you have enough of those things already?
How many does one person need?
And just what are you going to do with this one that you can't do with the others?
What is the purpose of all these knives anyhow??
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Your Salyan will go into the air Monday, Jim, and thanks. I think you are big, strong and still young enough to handle it.
And, many thanks for the kind words.
Uncle Bill
And, many thanks for the kind words.
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Recon Jack: I don't mind you telling others that the blade you ordered came from us (GH). As for the warrantee: Although the handles are not guaranteed not to crack (most natural materials will crack given enough time or extreme exposure to heat) I've replaced the couple of handles that have come back to me broken, as they were broken immediately, and I believed them to be flawed). My bottom line is that I always try to do the right thing.
As for your Brass Handle: any defect that might occur in it would certainly be as a result of craftsmanship, so consider your handle covered!
If you have any other questions about my warrantee, please feel free to ask, but I'd ask that you do it on the non-specific forum, as this is Bill's forum, and I try not to be the aggressive poster-on-Bills-forum that I once was.
Craig.
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As for your Brass Handle: any defect that might occur in it would certainly be as a result of craftsmanship, so consider your handle covered!
Craig.
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Just a note on the solid brass handle. I doubt seriously if it is solid brass. If somebody wants me to do the HI strength and endurance test on one which will perhaps damage the knife beyond repair send it and I'll tell you exactly what is inside the handle. Most I've seen made in Nepal were formed brass sheet and soldered together at the middle of handle. The Newaris sometimes used a cast brass handle which is solid but the blade is very poor quality.
Uncle Bill
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Thanks Rusty! You said what I wanted to.I will go now,biting my tongue.
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Thanks Rusty! You said what I wanted to.I will go now,biting my tongue.
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The last two post's have me baffled...
I guess I haven't been on the forum long enough, So, I'll just say, thank you Uncle Bill, for the info. I received your Khukri today. I don't know where to start. My wife doesn't want me to use it. I told her I was going to take it out and cut some brush, (I have about 20 acres of Arkansas hardwoods) and see if I could wear it out. It looks like it could wear me out! If this is the shop 2 knife, I really want a shop 1 knife! I think the 18" is perfect, it just feels right in my hand. (apparently it feels right in my wife's hand, she won't put it down) This is the nicest knife I have. My son just sat there with his mouth open, and said Dad you ain't gonna break that knife! I wish I would have had a knife like this when I was in Force Recon! I will try and sneak it out in the next couple of days and do some chopping and lopping. I probably won't abuse much, even though I know I can. Everyone that said I would not be disappointed was right!
Uncle Bill, the guarntee with the crossed Khukuri's was a very nice touch, I will wear them on my cap, Thanks!
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Jack Russell
I guess I haven't been on the forum long enough, So, I'll just say, thank you Uncle Bill, for the info. I received your Khukri today. I don't know where to start. My wife doesn't want me to use it. I told her I was going to take it out and cut some brush, (I have about 20 acres of Arkansas hardwoods) and see if I could wear it out. It looks like it could wear me out! If this is the shop 2 knife, I really want a shop 1 knife! I think the 18" is perfect, it just feels right in my hand. (apparently it feels right in my wife's hand, she won't put it down) This is the nicest knife I have. My son just sat there with his mouth open, and said Dad you ain't gonna break that knife! I wish I would have had a knife like this when I was in Force Recon! I will try and sneak it out in the next couple of days and do some chopping and lopping. I probably won't abuse much, even though I know I can. Everyone that said I would not be disappointed was right!
Uncle Bill, the guarntee with the crossed Khukuri's was a very nice touch, I will wear them on my cap, Thanks!
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Many thanks, Jack. I thought you would probably like that knife.
Uncle Bill
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Ain't that somethin Jack??
I knew you would like the 18" AK!
What's funny is that if your wife doesn't want you to use this one she would want you to put a Shop 1 AK in a safe deposit box.The other side of that is if you did and lost the key you could use this one to chop it out with.
Everyone has different preferences in keeping thier Kuhkuri's nice.
I have found my personal preference is the scotch brite rubbed the length of the blade with the curve.I don't think the satin finish shows up the marks as badly as the polish does.
I also like the olive oil for a lube because it does such a nice job of making the inside of the scabbard slick even if I was to use something else on the blade. If it doesn't pass the jump or upside down and shake test you can drop a very thin small piece of wood down the scabbard and the point will then lock in solidly.
I am sure glad you like it,because I recommended it so highly and I know it will work well on Arkansas Hardwoods,because they do on the Okie ones. I am just east of Tulsa on old highway 33. We're neighbors.
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The civilized man sleeps behind locked doors in the city while the naked savage sleeps (with a knife) in a open hut in the jungle.
Ain't that somethin Jack??
I knew you would like the 18" AK!
What's funny is that if your wife doesn't want you to use this one she would want you to put a Shop 1 AK in a safe deposit box.The other side of that is if you did and lost the key you could use this one to chop it out with.
Everyone has different preferences in keeping thier Kuhkuri's nice.
I have found my personal preference is the scotch brite rubbed the length of the blade with the curve.I don't think the satin finish shows up the marks as badly as the polish does.
I also like the olive oil for a lube because it does such a nice job of making the inside of the scabbard slick even if I was to use something else on the blade. If it doesn't pass the jump or upside down and shake test you can drop a very thin small piece of wood down the scabbard and the point will then lock in solidly.
I am sure glad you like it,because I recommended it so highly and I know it will work well on Arkansas Hardwoods,because they do on the Okie ones. I am just east of Tulsa on old highway 33. We're neighbors.
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Yvsa
Do you coat the whole blade with olive oil? And the small knife in the back looks like it could be very useful. I just used a diamond on it and it is razor sharp. I guess its the same steel. So Olive oil on it to, right? You were deffiinatley right on the size. I thing the size length weight ratio is perfect for me, personally. (My wife just ran to the cabinet to look for olive oil)! That other little tool, what do you use it for? Just curious, if it is for starting a fire, Or mostly just for tradition?
Thanks for the info. By the way, I'm in Harrison, AR. Did you go to the big Gun and Knife show in Tulsa? I heard it was a good one.
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Jack Russell
Do you coat the whole blade with olive oil? And the small knife in the back looks like it could be very useful. I just used a diamond on it and it is razor sharp. I guess its the same steel. So Olive oil on it to, right? You were deffiinatley right on the size. I thing the size length weight ratio is perfect for me, personally. (My wife just ran to the cabinet to look for olive oil)! That other little tool, what do you use it for? Just curious, if it is for starting a fire, Or mostly just for tradition?
Thanks for the info. By the way, I'm in Harrison, AR. Did you go to the big Gun and Knife show in Tulsa? I heard it was a good one.
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The little knife is called the karda. Kind of like a pocketknife for use when the khukuri is too much or you want to do fine work. The unsharpened thing is called a carda. It is a punch, a steel for starting fires against flint, and a smooth burnisher to use on the khuk's edge, that pushes the edge back into alignment rather than removing more material.
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Jack the last one I went to was the
Metcalf show a couple of weeks ago
and it was sad compared to what I am
used to.
The fairgrounds is charging a buck
for parkin now and the total charge
to get in was $8.00.My wife and me
both went. I will stick with the Big
Humongous
Wanenmacher shows from now on.The are
huge and use up almost all of the
Expo ctr. I will have to say the
Dealers at Metcalf had some excellent
prices though to be fair.
Rusty answered your questions about
the karda (knife) and
Chakam(steel,fire maker and punch)
pretty well.
The chakma is just what he said it is
and yet Uncle says if he was gonna be
gone for a long time with only a
Kuhkuri that he would sharpen his on
one edge.Then you have all the uses
listed,plus another knife.
All of the blades are from the same
steel.I use olive oil on them all and
I learned that here in the
forums.Most of us that use it may
want to prepare food with our knives
sometime.I think the 18"AK will be an
excellent deer splitter.
There is no shortage of flint in most
of Arkansas so you don't have to
worry about that.
I actually poured some oil down my
scabbard and worked the blade in and
out several times.I let it set
overnight and then wiped off the
exess.It leaves a nice film and I
started using it on my Marbles '98
Woodcraft too.
After a couple of days I still had
one "sticky" spot and used a little
more oil and it is now slick and
quick without being loose when it is
fully sheathed. It shouldn't move in
the scabbard when you shake it up and
down vigorously,hence the "jump
test."
I think it will help preserve the
wood and keep those little wood
borers out we get around here
sometimes. I have had a couple of
items they have gotten to.They ruined
an old African Drum for me.
I have made a new karda and chakma
for my 18" and now have a 5 1/2"
cutting edge on the karda with a
little longer handle.
They are referenced in another thread somewhere here lately.
Jack there are some posts that Cliff has made that has some links to reviews he has made.They are excellent and will tell you just how far you can go with one of the H.I. Kuhkuri's.
The other very important thing Rusty mentioned is using the chakma for a steel,burnishing tool for the edge. It is amazing just how sharp you can get one of these big knives. Try shaving your leg with it and you will see what I mean.
By steeling the blade it save a lot of metal lost to sharpening with other means.
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>>>>---¥vsa---->®
The civilized man sleeps behind locked doors in the city while the naked savage sleeps (with a knife) in a open hut in the jungle.
[This message has been edited by Yvsa (edited 09 August 1999).]
Jack the last one I went to was the
Metcalf show a couple of weeks ago
and it was sad compared to what I am
used to.
The fairgrounds is charging a buck
for parkin now and the total charge
to get in was $8.00.My wife and me
both went. I will stick with the Big
Humongous
Wanenmacher shows from now on.The are
huge and use up almost all of the
Expo ctr. I will have to say the
Dealers at Metcalf had some excellent
prices though to be fair.
Rusty answered your questions about
the karda (knife) and
Chakam(steel,fire maker and punch)
pretty well.
The chakma is just what he said it is
and yet Uncle says if he was gonna be
gone for a long time with only a
Kuhkuri that he would sharpen his on
one edge.Then you have all the uses
listed,plus another knife.
All of the blades are from the same
steel.I use olive oil on them all and
I learned that here in the
forums.Most of us that use it may
want to prepare food with our knives
sometime.I think the 18"AK will be an
excellent deer splitter.
There is no shortage of flint in most
of Arkansas so you don't have to
worry about that.
I actually poured some oil down my
scabbard and worked the blade in and
out several times.I let it set
overnight and then wiped off the
exess.It leaves a nice film and I
started using it on my Marbles '98
Woodcraft too.
After a couple of days I still had
one "sticky" spot and used a little
more oil and it is now slick and
quick without being loose when it is
fully sheathed. It shouldn't move in
the scabbard when you shake it up and
down vigorously,hence the "jump
test."
I think it will help preserve the
wood and keep those little wood
borers out we get around here
sometimes. I have had a couple of
items they have gotten to.They ruined
an old African Drum for me.
I have made a new karda and chakma
for my 18" and now have a 5 1/2"
cutting edge on the karda with a
little longer handle.
They are referenced in another thread somewhere here lately.
Jack there are some posts that Cliff has made that has some links to reviews he has made.They are excellent and will tell you just how far you can go with one of the H.I. Kuhkuri's.
The other very important thing Rusty mentioned is using the chakma for a steel,burnishing tool for the edge. It is amazing just how sharp you can get one of these big knives. Try shaving your leg with it and you will see what I mean.
By steeling the blade it save a lot of metal lost to sharpening with other means.
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>>>>---¥vsa---->®
The civilized man sleeps behind locked doors in the city while the naked savage sleeps (with a knife) in a open hut in the jungle.
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