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Sorry you feel like that. I had hoped that the offer to reharden and temper your blade would be seen as a friendly gesture. Good luck to you.
Steve Ferguson
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Sorry you feel like that. I had hoped that the offer to reharden and temper your blade would be seen as a friendly gesture. Good luck to you.
Steve Ferguson
Oh, it was Steve! I can't in good conscience accept the generous offer from you though. I did get many good years out of it, and you have no stake in the matter, it wouldn't be right to let you spend your time redoing this. I purchased directly from Bill back a long time ago and wanted to know if it this sort of thing was covered. The warrantee was rather ambigious, don't know it it is now. If so, great, if not, fine either way.
It was a general tone from the rest you pick up on that makes me uncomfortable... ever been someplace where it's like you're being eyeballed with suspicion when you come in, like youre an outsider coming around to take advantage? That does it for me, you know? Doesn't feel like it was back in it's heyday as the most active manufacturers forum on BF. Good luck to you too then.
I haven't been on this thread all that long but it seems the friendliest on BF for what I can tell. Maybe you felt put upon but I think the concensus is correct, years of heavy use and the filing has worn down the blade shape is not a defect. Everything given use and wear will wear out and need replacement, eventually. I doubt the people saying so were "eyeballing" you funny. Good luck with Busse (or whatever brand you choose) but while they are famous for standing behind their product will they replace blades that simply wear out? Maybe they do. Best of luck to you.
It's fine and it's not a defect. I do have other blades now that can replace it just fine, HI was my first and brought me into the high end knives, which I'm quite happy about. I remember 5 years ago I asked Bill about it actually, and he jokingly said the warrantee was for his lifetime or mine, and that he was 69 and smoking a carton of camels a week.. heheh I guess the old man got me
. It's normal, it's fair, it's fine. As far as the tone, it's sort of like... being put upon, like they're looking for a way to put fault on me... kinda like, clam up, you got your nickels worth, you didn't steel enough, (which I likely should've done, but I just wasn't effective at it) etc. And again I really don't want to compare the 2 makers as they're both good in their own way, but since you asked, yes Busse will replace your knife if you ever manage to wear it out, and not just for the original owner, but any of their knives anywhere. Any knife that you didn't intentionally destroy, even if you were abusing it chopping rocks or concrete like in their tests, as long as you weren't trying to break it- it's covered no questions asked. :thumbup:
You guys take care too!
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As it used to be here, until people began abusing the warranty. Now things are somewhat more restrictive.
I did not notice this suspicion that you mentioned in this thread to any degree but now that you mention it, I have seen it in the past. Some of those individuals who abused the warranty did so here and thus, certain topics and claims tend to light up the radars. Such behavior hurts HI directly and the rest of us indirectly, and thus we're on the lookout for it now.
HI still has a pretty good warranty as such things go, as does Busse. It pleases me that manufacturers like this still exist -- in most industries, they no longer do.
If you don't mind me asking, why didn't you take Steve up on his offer? This is not meant to be an accusation, but I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to achieve. Steve's offer is a fair one.
Most knife manufacturers provide what they call a limited lifetime warranty, yet the fine print reveals that they don't normally cover gross abuse, rust or misuse. Then we get into the specific language of the warranty, and things may get even more cloudy. For example, what is the measure of gross abuse and what constitutes misuse of the product? What about the company release, assumption of risk and waiver of liabilty? If my Camp Tramp hits me in the face after my vice gives way or I slice my arm, do you think I actually have a case against the parent company? Their fine print will indemnify them.
Or should it be the case that common sense should prevail? Why do people try to break knives? Any blade can be punished to the point of failure. Perhaps we should contact the major players such as Buck, Gerber, CS etc and see if we can get a consensus (or some level of agreement for that matter) about the terms of abuse and misuse.
Years ago, there was little abuse or testing of knives. Knives were just simple cutting or fighting tools. The premise that a knife could be utilized in the role of a hammer was about as far fetched as using a hack saw to fell a spruce tree. Pushing a knife beyond the limits is really a humerous exercise in futility. Why use a $500 Busse to chop a 12 inch tree down when a Keech race axe will do a MUCH better job in 1/10 the time? One might do well to review the principle of mechanics and leverage. Even a cheap electric chainsaw wielded by some wet-behind-the-ears nimrod can vanquish the ABS masters at their own game. What does this prove?
The axe, saw and hammer were the basic tools that built our nation. Each tool is, and was designed with a particular role/purpose. Too exceed that original purpose or alter the functional parameters is bordering on lunacy. A knife was meant to cut and slice, not pry a heavy door off of the hinges. Sure, I can use my WW2 to pry some rocks out of the ground or lift a heavy object, but there are better tools for such jobs. The lowly shovel is one of them. Thin knives take a better edge, thicker knives are tougher. And yes, my Hossom sharpened 18 inch Ontario will outcut my Battle Mistress by a wide margin. This is not rocket science and never ceases to allow a smile to cover my visage.
Or should it be the case that common sense should prevail? Why do people try to break knives? Any blade can be punished to the point of failure. Perhaps we should contact the major players such as Buck, Gerber, CS etc and see if we can get a consensus (or some level of agreement for that matter) about the terms of abuse and misuse.
Years ago, there was little abuse or testing of knives. Knives were just simple cutting or fighting tools. The premise that a knife could be utilized in the role of a hammer was about as far fetched as using a hack saw to fell a spruce tree. Pushing a knife beyond the limits is really a humerous exercise in futility. Why use a $500 Busse to chop a 12 inch tree down when a Keech race axe will do a MUCH better job in 1/10 the time? One might do well to review the principle of mechanics and leverage. Even a cheap electric chainsaw wielded by some wet-behind-the-ears nimrod can vanquish the ABS masters at their own game. What does this prove?
The axe, saw and hammer were the basic tools that built our nation. Each tool is, and was designed with a particular role/purpose. Too exceed that original purpose or alter the functional parameters is bordering on lunacy. A knife was meant to cut and slice, not pry a heavy door off of the hinges. Sure, I can use my WW2 to pry some rocks out of the ground or lift a heavy object, but there are better tools for such jobs. The lowly shovel is one of them. Thin knives take a better edge, thicker knives are tougher. And yes, my Hossom sharpened 18 inch Ontario will outcut my Battle Mistress by a wide margin. This is not rocket science and never ceases to allow a smile to cover my visage.
Yes, I remember those days. I wasn't active around here when those days were ended, there was just that famous "No BS, uncle bill lifetime warrantee". Unfortunate if you got a multitude of abusers. The Busse family knives still have such a warrantee, but I suppose they're an exception. Even used, their knives sell higher on the secondary market than original purchase price, dissuading any potential incentive for wanting to intentionally do any wrong to cash on the warrantee. On top of that, the positive buzz generated by that generous warrantee earns them a lot of extra business, more than enough to offset the losses from potential warrantee abuse, and actually making it more profitable to have that warrantee than not. I do wonder if that was the case with HI too... back in the old times, this was far and away the most active manufacturer subforum on bladeforums, the DOTDs didn't last for 20 minutes before being snapped up, and the main sales site was well used as well. Now it seems the place's traffic has dropped off drastically and the DOTDs may go for days without takers.
Steves offer was very generous, but I can't burden him with that in right conscience. I didn't buy it from him. It really isn't a huge deal... I was thinking of it the same way I'd exchange a t shirt at Macys. If no go, fine, I got good years out of it, if yes, I'd change it provided I didn't have to drive too far or make too much effort. I wouldn't let some random customer at the place take his time to tailor the shirt even if they make the offer. If I was exceptionally interested in replacing it, I'd buy a new one or pay to have it hardened again.
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Eric,
I understand what you're saying, though I hope your analysis may be off. As I see it, Uncle Bill made choices that made this forum a great place to be. Aunt Yangdu is making choices designed to enable HI's American presence to continue to be profitable so they and this forum can continue. I believe she may be a better businessman than Bill, while Bill...
Well, everyone who knew Bill knows he can never be replaced. Hopefully, the best of what he represented lives on here.
John
I understand what you're saying, though I hope your analysis may be off. As I see it, Uncle Bill made choices that made this forum a great place to be. Aunt Yangdu is making choices designed to enable HI's American presence to continue to be profitable so they and this forum can continue. I believe she may be a better businessman than Bill, while Bill...
Well, everyone who knew Bill knows he can never be replaced. Hopefully, the best of what he represented lives on here.
John