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wellan vale true temper black prince .

Discussion in 'Axe, Tomahawk, & Hatchet Forum' started by bradlox, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. bradlox

    bradlox

    389
    Aug 1, 2009
    hey
    i just scored a welland vale true temper black prince axe head (for $2)
    ive tried to look it up but theres soo much axe info out there ....
    did see one guy mentioned on one forum as a grail axe !

    anyways just asking here for any nuggets of info ?
    id really like to find out what kind of handle i should put on it .

    thanks for any help

    matt

    ill be fully restoring it and making it a leather sheath i will put up pics at some point .
     
  2. Double Ott

    Double Ott

    Jan 3, 2011
    I'm not familiar with the name, black prince. But a better description would help. s-bit, double bit, size, weight?

    We love pictures!
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2012
  3. cooperhill

    cooperhill

    Nov 14, 2011
    http://www.yesteryearstools.com/Yesteryears Tools/American Fork & Hoe Co..html


    " The A. F. & H. Co. used the TRUE TEMPER name in conjunction with the name Kelly for a number of years and in 1949 the company formally became known as the True Temper Corp. It was then that the company headquarters were moved to Cleveland, Ohio. By then the True Temper name had become much more widely known than the American Fork & Hoe Co. name, especially because they adopted the name True Temper Canada for their Canadian division, the Welland Vale Mfg. Co. The Canadian manufacturing facilities were closed in 1965."
     
  4. Steve Tall

    Steve Tall

    Aug 28, 2010
    "The Black Prince brand was made and marketed in Canada after the A. F & H. Co. acquired the Welland Vale Co."

    "...the True Temper name had become much more widely known than the American Fork & Hoe Co. name, especially because they adopted the name True Temper Canada for their Canadian division, the Welland Vale Mfg. Co. The Canadian manufacturing facilities were closed in 1965."

    above quotes from Yesteryearstools.com
    http://www.yesteryearstools.com/Yesteryears%20Tools/American%20Fork%20%26%20Hoe%20Co..html

    "...the American Axe & Tool Company was acquired by the Kelly Axe Mfg. Co. In 1930 Welland Vale purchased the Bedford Mfg. Co. of Bedford, Quebec. Later that same year the whole Welland Vale Co. was purchased by the American Fork & Hoe Co. American Fork & Hoe had also purchased the Kelly Axe Mfg. Co. of Charleston, West Virginia the same year."

    "...The American Fork & Hoe Co. kept some of the Welland Vale manufacturing facilities open for a few years until they got more organized in Canada and while they prepared to relocate some of the manufacturing equipment to a more centralized location. The company name formally became the Welland Vale Mfg. Co., Ltd. During that time the company was often referred to as Welland Vale-True Temper but many of the axes they manufactured were marked as having been made by the Kelly Axe & Tool Co. of Canada, Ltd. They were permitted to use the word “Company” in Canada whereas they had to change itto “Works” in the U.S.A. In reality the parent company was comprised of a number of other plants that operated under their own name but produced produces under multiple names. The companies included Welland Vale itself; The Bedford Mfg. Co., Inc.; The Canadian Axe & Harvest Tool Co., Ltd.; the Canadian Shovel & Tool Co., Ltd. and the Maple Leaf Harvest Tool Co., Ltd. There was also a handle manufacturing division located in Strathroy, Ontario named the Canadian Turner-Day Handle Co. There again, a similarly named company existed in the US which was owned by True Temper at the time.

    "Like True Temper in the US, Welland Vale produced a range of products, mostly in the forging category.

    "Welland Vale was known to have used numerous labels and brands and their reputation was well known across Canada. In 1965 the company officially became True Temper Canada, Ltd. and the works at St. Catharines were closed down."

    from http://www.yesteryearstools.com/Yesteryears%20Tools/Wellan%20Vale%20Co..html
     
  5. Double Ott

    Double Ott

    Jan 3, 2011
    I collect Kelly and do know the True Temper name, history...But a Black Price is one that I'm not familiar with, I've never seen one.

    Tom
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2012
  6. cooperhill

    cooperhill

    Nov 14, 2011
    Saw this at the Brimfield Flea Market this year. It was priced at $45 - didn't buy it.

    True Temper Black Prince Hewing axe.

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    Last edited: Dec 4, 2012
  7. VintageAxe

    VintageAxe

    166
    Mar 12, 2011
    If I remember right, the Black Prince was one of Welland Vale's premier lines. I've owned two of them over the years, and they're very nice axes. Used to have a great peeler from them. If it says welland vale and true temper i believe it can be narrowed down to 1950 or 1951 vintage. I have a little welland vale broad hatchet that is great steel, has an awesome ring when you tap it with your finger nail.
     
  8. bearhunter

    bearhunter

    Sep 12, 2009
    Oh yeah!! A 'Black Prince'
    I've seen some nice ones for sale in Australia. They go for a premium price, they are very sought after ;)

    Pics... man... Pics :)
     
  9. bradlox

    bradlox

    389
    Aug 1, 2009
    so thankful for comments !
    ill try to put some pics up here goes ..

    from edge to back is about 6''
    and blade edge 4 3/4''wide
    weight 2lb4 3/4 oz
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    hope the pics come through ?
     
  10. bradlox

    bradlox

    389
    Aug 1, 2009
    nice !
     
  11. cooperhill

    cooperhill

    Nov 14, 2011
    Sweet. Cedar pattern maybe
     
  12. Square_peg

    Square_peg

    Feb 1, 2012
    [​IMG]

    I'd say.
     
  13. bradlox

    bradlox

    389
    Aug 1, 2009
    thanks for all the input , sure is a sweet looking axe head , was thinking of making a handle from this well seasond piece of hornbeam .
    not sure if the radial grain is ok to use or if it looks too short for a handle ?
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  14. doodledogdad

    doodledogdad Gold Member Gold Member

    7
    May 2, 2018
    Sorry to hijack the thread, but I just picked up a True Temper Black Prince 3 1/2 and need a a haft. I would love any recommendations Thank you in advance
     
  15. Square_peg

    Square_peg

    Feb 1, 2012
    Single bit? Double bit? What did you get?
     
  16. doodledogdad

    doodledogdad Gold Member Gold Member

    7
    May 2, 2018
    Single Bit. 3.5 lb head. I'm new to axes and this is my first time attaching a haft.
    Not sure if thumbnail or full images are preferred, but I inserted as thumbnails.
    Thanks again. :) black prince.jpg black prince eye2.jpg black prince eye.jpg black prince 3.5.jpg
     
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  17. Agent_H

    Agent_H Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    *Moved to different thread.
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2018 at 10:52 PM

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