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Removing a citizens right to sell personal property is not a good thing.
First all transfers will have to go through a licensed dealer. Then the fees will be increased while the numbers of licensed dealers is decreased. "Hey we aren't infringing, it is all common sense gun laws..."
I agree 100%. I'm just trying to predict what I think will happen, not what should happen.
The worst thing about a ban on private sales might be that it sets the stage for future possible bans, in a manner similar to registration. If the gov't has all the records of all the firearms transfers, when they decide to ban they know right where to go to confiscate. It's like a python squeezing bit by bit.
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If you think back, you may remember the AWB was passed in '94, but was initiated during the GHWB administration with Bush41's blessing.
Historically, neither party wants you to own guns-the Dems are just more open about it. The GOP has never repealed a gun law. They did allow the AWB to sunset, but that was a passive process.
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If I think about it, I remember who put in the sunset in the first place. Which is moot since most of them are retired or in trouble for other transgressions.
Playing "my idiots are better than your idiots" should really have no place in defending our rights.
If I recall the AWB passed the House by only one vote, and then only because Speaker Tom Foley held his gavel for an unusually long time while the last few arms(npi) were twisted. Man, those Dems wanted that ban very badly.
The 10 year sunset provision was one of the things that was negotiated by opponents, and was barely even noticed for quite a while. Most people assumed that once, passed, the ban would stay one way or another. As Jefferson said, it is the natural course of things for liberty to recede. Only after 2000 or so did it start to penetrated that the ban might actually be reversed in 04.
Also yes, it was George HW Bush, and then 'drug-czar' Bill Bennett who put in place the first AWB in 1989, which affected foreign rifles only. I remember thinking at the time that it was probably a smart move because it tossed a bone to anti-gunners while not stopping anyone from getting an M1A, mini-14, or AR-15. Of course that turned out to be a dumb thought on my part.
The 10 year sunset provision was one of the things that was negotiated by opponents, and was barely even noticed for quite a while. Most people assumed that once, passed, the ban would stay one way or another. As Jefferson said, it is the natural course of things for liberty to recede. Only after 2000 or so did it start to penetrated that the ban might actually be reversed in 04.
Also yes, it was George HW Bush, and then 'drug-czar' Bill Bennett who put in place the first AWB in 1989, which affected foreign rifles only. I remember thinking at the time that it was probably a smart move because it tossed a bone to anti-gunners while not stopping anyone from getting an M1A, mini-14, or AR-15. Of course that turned out to be a dumb thought on my part.
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D's and R's are really just the heads of one beast. It's like Phillip Morris pitting Basic against Marlboro. All the political back and forth is just to keep us distracted from something we don't yet know of. Then again, I could be just one of those paranoid Art Bell listeners. If not, that will be the least satisfying "I told you so" ever.
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Oh I remember that. I do believe we still suffer under parts of that sillyness. Trying to keep track of how many parts are made in the US vs. foreign. Assuming a proper functioning firearm the ratio of foreign to national gun parts makes no difference, unless the ATF is looking at it. :grumpy:
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There was a forceful knock at the door. Neighbor? FedEx?
I looked at my front door security camera monitor - there was a tall black man in a suit. What the hell? Even though the screen was grainy, I could swear that it looks exactly like soon-to-be President Obama! What is he doing, at my house?
With my heart racing I opened the door. Within seconds, I was knocked to the floor by the imposing figure. He towered over me... and with the grimmest of expressions he said:
"Guns. Tell me where your guns are. And all of the ammo. I'm not screwing around. Tell me, right now."
I knew this day was coming. Reality is a firm, but honest teacher and there was no escaping the fact that I was trapped. I had done all of my preps: 4 years worth of rice, grain, and beans... enough firearms and ammunition to hold off a small army... invested in gold (Glenn Beck told me to do this) in case our monetary system collapsed... everything!
Crawling on my hands and knees, I led President Obama to the hidden safe in my closet. I felt the heel of a heavy size 14 shoe grind into my lower back.
"Open the goddamn safe!"
He took it all - my Bushmaster, my collection of Desert Eagles, my 10mm Glock with tritium night sights and red dot laser, army surplus Mausers, all my Hi-Point antiques... everything.
And just like that,
he was gone.
I looked at my front door security camera monitor - there was a tall black man in a suit. What the hell? Even though the screen was grainy, I could swear that it looks exactly like soon-to-be President Obama! What is he doing, at my house?
With my heart racing I opened the door. Within seconds, I was knocked to the floor by the imposing figure. He towered over me... and with the grimmest of expressions he said:
"Guns. Tell me where your guns are. And all of the ammo. I'm not screwing around. Tell me, right now."
I knew this day was coming. Reality is a firm, but honest teacher and there was no escaping the fact that I was trapped. I had done all of my preps: 4 years worth of rice, grain, and beans... enough firearms and ammunition to hold off a small army... invested in gold (Glenn Beck told me to do this) in case our monetary system collapsed... everything!
Crawling on my hands and knees, I led President Obama to the hidden safe in my closet. I felt the heel of a heavy size 14 shoe grind into my lower back.
"Open the goddamn safe!"
He took it all - my Bushmaster, my collection of Desert Eagles, my 10mm Glock with tritium night sights and red dot laser, army surplus Mausers, all my Hi-Point antiques... everything.
And just like that,
he was gone.
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I didn't remember it that way so I did a little searching. The AWB was a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 which passed the House 235-195 and the Senate 61-38.
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Gee and I just saw on Foxs News where "Outdoor Wire" just named Our Great Savior Obama it's Gun Salesman of the year. Who would have ever thought it.
According to my local pawn shop, that's a steal! After the election, all of their SKSs went to $799.
I've read several conservative political "experts" have said they don't expect the Obamanist administration to do any major anti-gun legilation until his second term, remembering how they lost Congress previously. In the second term of the Messianic President's reign, it's Katy Bar The Door!! Wouldn't it be nice if the Dems lost Congress again, before the second term?? Now's the time to start working toward a peaceful solution.