what are good self defense tools against dogs

[sodak]

A fellow forumite killed a pit bull with a good swing from his hiking staff. It can be done. We had a guy here at a dog park attacked by a pit bull, and he killed it with a pocket knife, caused a big uproar with all the bambi lovers. No charges were filed.

I like a 12 gauge, a good pistol, absent that, a good hiking stick. I use a 4 ft. 1 inch thick hardwood dowel from Home Depot. And a strong, sharp knife. I like the Spyderco Manix.

 

[Fonly]

Last dog I was bit by was an old rotte my sister had. It was about 11 years old, was craky and was mean. I was young and was staring at it, of course this pissed it off and it came at me, All I had time to do was knee it in the sternum, right at the peak of /\ sternum, know what I mean?

It dropped to the ground, and unfortunately had to be shot. that was the first and last time anything ever attacked me, but it was non the less scary. I just remember the terror of something running at ya, teeth showing. Keeping your head up and neck covered is about all you can do, and dont stop fighting it untill its not moving anymore. Because if you dont, it will the same to you.

 

[Pritch]

This is only true if you are talking about non guard dog type.. against pitbulls dobermans, rottie, your out of luck these dogs were breed for they have alpha male attitude, they don't back down. Wouldn't make them any good as guard dogs if they backed down just because some guy was big.

hannibal,

I have to disagree. Guard dogs in particular tend to be trained to obey orders from their handlers. What I was suggewsting is that you may be able to assume the authority of a handler, even if just for a moment.

Actually I have firsthand experience in this against a trained doberman. At the time I probably weighed 145 soaking wet so I don't think size had anything to do with it. Years, actually decades ago, I was working a third shift security gig that required me to leave our main facility and walk a couple of blocks to a satellite building a couple of times a night. I was unarmed save for a four cell maglight. (Don't get me started. ) Across the street was a lumberyard. Night security at said lumberyard was a large doberman behind a chain link fence. He would bark and growl like crazy at me every night when I walked by. I would calmly say "hi" and that I was glad that he was on the other side of the fence. One night, a little before dawn the doberman barked at me and when I looked over, he was sitting on the other side of the fence, smiling evilly at me. As he got up and started advancing on me, I loudly commanded him to get back in his yard. He stopped and looked at me, trying to figure out if I was in the chain of command. He started my way again and I took a step toward him, clapped and issued my command again. This time he bought it. He went back to his side of the street, but didn't go back under the fence. I went on and did my check of the remote building as the dog ambled along his fence in th eopposite direction.

A few minutes later I was heading back to our facility I saw a guy in a suit running flat out in my direction with the dobie right on his heels. I shouted at the dog and pointed across the street. He immediately obeyed, this time ducking under the gate. The guy said something to the effect of "I thought I was gonna die! Why don't you have your dog on a leash?" I smiled at him as simply said "He's not my dog." I have repeated this on several occasions since then, but never with quite as much satisfaction.

All this being said, I am very happy to NOW live in state that allows for legal concealed carry. I like the idea of having a walking stick to ward off a pest, but if it goes beyond that, I'd prefer something moer lethal.

With a pack of dogs who have been running deer, I think I'd prefer to climb a tree!

-- FLIX

 

[Mountainman38]

...I was alone (which is always a bad idea) so i constantly took peeks over my shoulder to make sure I wasn't being followed. ...

I hike alone all the time here in northwestern Washington. I love the solitude and quiet, and prefer to be by my lonesome. I carry weapons and pay attention to what's going on around me, the same as in the city. I wouldn't worry about going solo -- just be smart and prepare.

Oregon has a good attitude towards concealed carry permits, so you should check into getting one of those. Also, Washington will give you a non-resident permit, so you can carry when you come up here, too.:thumbup:

 

[LMT66]

Heres the video Don mentioned!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSwI...cer+&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&

Let this be a lesson to us all .... never comingle a muumuu and a pitbull!

 

[Mountainman38]

....The moral to the story is, don't assume it's going to take a crack on the head and go away - be prepared to really beat the snot out of it. If it's more than one, intend on every blow to be a killing blow or you're just whistling dixie. Don't be sentimental, I don't like cruelty to animals either. They're not going to be sentimental to you, don't give them a break either.

Excellent advice. Under the stress of being attacked, swinging a hatchet or knife is going to be difficult and of marginal usefulness. As was mentioned, a steel pipe to the head works eventually, but steel pipes are a pain to carry.

Gun, gun, gun. If a pack is coming, there's not much more comforting than my Glock 20 with 15 rounds to greet them with.

 

[Bushman5]

Coming Soon:


DOGS BANE and GITSNICK, two fire blasted weapons for banishing feral dogs to the underworld.

stay tuned for pics in the next few days , the hand rubbed oil finish is drying.

 

[white cloud]

a good friend of mine was seriously injured by a dog bite. which lead me to wonder about uncontrolled dogs and children. if one can identify the owner of an attacking dog, i would strongly recommend a lawsuit.

 

[mr.trooper]

Those air horn cans or pepper spray might work as a deterrant ... for dogs anyway

Dunno if a knife would be of any use against a wild pack of dogs

in a pack, the best case scenario is that you kill one or two before the others kill you... Your doing them a favor really, because they wont have to split you up among as many members, and they can eat their fallen pack mates as well.

 

[geek]

Hydrogen bomb

 

[Davyd]

Coming Soon:


DOGS BANE and GITSNICK, two fire blasted weapons for banishing feral dogs to the underworld.

stay tuned for pics in the next few days , the hand rubbed oil finish is drying.

DOGS BANE - The name STING comes to me on this
GITSNICK - It hasn't been broken and reforged has it???

Though since you mention oil - possibly other than on a leather hilt . Maybe it should be more Arthurian combining metal head and wood shaft

 

[hannibal lecter spyderco]

hannibal,

I have to disagree. Guard dogs in particular tend to be trained to obey orders from their handlers. What I was suggewsting is that you may be able to assume the authority of a handler, even if just for a moment.

Actually I have firsthand experience in this against a trained doberman. At the time I probably weighed 145 soaking wet so I don't think size had anything to do with it. Years, actually decades ago, I was working a third shift security gig that required me to leave our main facility and walk a couple of blocks to a satellite building a couple of times a night. I was unarmed save for a four cell maglight. (Don't get me started. ) Across the street was a lumberyard. Night security at said lumberyard was a large doberman behind a chain link fence. He would bark and growl like crazy at me every night when I walked by. I would calmly say "hi" and that I was glad that he was on the other side of the fence. One night, a little before dawn the doberman barked at me and when I looked over, he was sitting on the other side of the fence, smiling evilly at me. As he got up and started advancing on me, I loudly commanded him to get back in his yard. He stopped and looked at me, trying to figure out if I was in the chain of command. He started my way again and I took a step toward him, clapped and issued my command again. This time he bought it. He went back to his side of the street, but didn't go back under the fence. I went on and did my check of the remote building as the dog ambled along his fence in th eopposite direction.

A few minutes later I was heading back to our facility I saw a guy in a suit running flat out in my direction with the dobie right on his heels. I shouted at the dog and pointed across the street. He immediately obeyed, this time ducking under the gate. The guy said something to the effect of "I thought I was gonna die! Why don't you have your dog on a leash?" I smiled at him as simply said "He's not my dog." I have repeated this on several occasions since then, but never with quite as much satisfaction.

All this being said, I am very happy to NOW live in state that allows for legal concealed carry. I like the idea of having a walking stick to ward off a pest, but if it goes beyond that, I'd prefer something moer lethal.

With a pack of dogs who have been running deer, I think I'd prefer to climb a tree!

-- FLIX

I'm glad you are ok, but I think your case is the exception versus the rule, dogs bond with their handlers. and good guard dogs like mine if they don't recognize you on their turf they will bite no questions ask. Good guard dogs have high pray drive strong willed etc.. true not every single dog has that ability but most good guard dogs will

 

[jackknife]

Generally speaking, you will be fine with 3 to 4 feet of hickory, hornbeam, or oak hiking staff.

It's been a few years now, but our welsh corgi was attacked by an off leash pit bull. I had a lower rib high hornbeam staff, and it did fatal damage to the pits skull. The pit had our corgi by the shoulder, and I just swung down with everrything I had in me and the staff caved in the pits skull killing it right then.

The owner and I had a short altercation, and in the end he had to pay the emergency vet bill for our dogs stiches.

Nothing outside of a firearm, works on a dog as good as a stick of some weight and heft.

 

[Blue Sky]

...and good guard dogs like mine if they don't recognize you on their turf...

Key phrase I think. The dog was outside the fence, not his turf so to speak. That might have changed his attitude a little and made him more susceptible to control.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

dont know why i did'nt post this earlier, bu a Sjambock would be perfect. Aim for the face/eyes/snout.

I have actually had to use a sjambok against a dog before. I was walking my dog on a subdivision near mine. Now I had had trouble with loose aggressive dogs in the area before, so I had my sjambok (the older lighter weight version) tucked in my arm. A while into the walk I noticed a big black dog loose and wandering around down the road a ways. I pulled my dog over to the opposite side of the road in the hopes that it was friendly, and if no then it would at least keep its distance. It did neither. The instant it noticed my dog it barreled down the road and started going for his face. Not about to tolerate this I hauled back and gave one firm strike on the dog's back. It didn't make a sound but jumped a good three feet in the air and ran off at top speed. Never seen that dog again. It's not easy to carry a sjambok around, but let me tell you they sure do work!

 

[Lazydog1]

Geek - Are you seriously suggesting that you will insert both hands into the mouth of a snapping dog and then attempt to wrench it's jaws apart?

I've seen a bunch of domestic dogs (not feral - domestic) which played together suddenly turn into a defensive pack when they saw another dog enter 'their' terrain. It was quick, they moved like lightning, two attacked from the front and one circled around to attack from the rear. Attacked dog was helpless - one dog pulling a back leg, one dog had it down by the neck and other dog rushing in and biting.

I've tried seperating fighting dogs. Very difficult. Believe me - blunt trauma has to break bone - skull or spine - pain alone does nothing. And the dog might just turn on you. Best way to seperate two fighting dogs is if two people work in tandem - each comming up behind and grabbing a dog by it's hind legs. Keep it off balance, keep moving. Throw it into a swimming pool or over a wall/fence or lock it away. Second person has to do the same - each have to act quickly and firmly. Not easy.

A friend had a finger bitten off by her own spaniel while she tried to stop said spaniel and a poodle fighting.

I've been attacked and bitten at a friend's barbecue by the friend's dog. Luckily it had a collar so I could control it. Even smashing in it's ribs did not prevent it from trying to attack me again. Friend refused to let me kill it. I warned thenm that the dog was 'bad' and they did not know how to control it. A couple of months later they had it destroyed as it had attacked a child.

Dog attacks are real and vicious.

My advise: If you sense that you are being stalked, turn on the dog / pack, get angry and advance on them as mencingly as possible. Make yourself as large as you can. Command them to 'go home'. As you advance watch their behaviour - do they all run off in the same direction or do they split left and right to circle around you. Ready yourself to fight, remove your pack and get ready to place it between you and them. Get you weapons ready. Get your back against a wall, rock or tree. If you have a heavy jacket or coat, then put it on as it will protect against bites. If you have kids or sheeple with you tell them what you're doing and why. Command them to not show fear as the dogs will pick it up immediatelly. Get kids up a tree, on a wall or on a high rock.

For weapons, obviously a firearm is best. Don't expect the dogs to drop to gunfire immediately. On rabies control I've shot dogs with a 308 cal FN. Two shots in the chest didn't drop them immediately! Admittedly that was close up and with hardball. I'd also recommend a knife - prefereably a sturdy 7 inch fixed blade (folder might break off in the dog's body as it twists). Attacks will be close up - long sticks are no good and you may have time for an initial swing but after that they will be too close for swinging. However, the best tool for this purpose would be a spear - look at the Boar spear by Cold Steal. Make up a canvas bag to go over the sharp end (canvas can be stabbed through, unlike heavy leather) and cut about a foot off the end. Then you have a good hiking staff which is also sheeple friendly. Collapsing batons are fine for walking the dog around the block, but when hiking they're just dead weight. Also, when getting ready to defend drop down to one or both knees - you're a smaller target and you're at their level which makes it easier to judge their angle of attack. Also, you can roll with the attack. Put a lanyard on the knife and slip it over your wrist so it stays with you as you may roll around.

Yeah, dogs gone wild are bad, now if you want to hear some stories about Baboons.....

 

[Bushman5]

DOGS BANE - The name STING comes to me on this
GITSNICK - It hasn't been broken and reforged has it???

Though since you mention oil - possibly other than on a leather hilt . Maybe it should be more Arthurian combining metal head and wood shaft

you'll seen later tonight once i'm back from trucking.....

 

[benchmadebob]

next week im going back to the same place to see if there still there. And Im going to bring my seal pup elite and a hickory staff. Im going to make a oak staff with a ball on it.

 

[Swampdog]

I have had experience with dogs in an urban environment where hiking sticks were not carried due to interaction with the general public. I carried a spray bottle with a 50/50 mix of water and bleach, it worked well as long as you gave the canine a good spray in the nose and mouth area.

 

[Blue Sky]

Also, when getting ready to defend drop down to one or both knees - you're a smaller target and you're at their level which makes it easier to judge their angle of attack. Also, you can roll with the attack. Put a lanyard on the knife and slip it over your wrist so it stays with you as you may roll around.

You can't be serious! Sorry, but this is one thing I would NEVER do and wouldn't recommend anyone else do it either.