What are these knives from Hoffman-Richter?

ACP said:
If there were a couple of people who could have brought something something more substantive to the table, that would have.

As it stands now: Everyone lacks experience with the product, but everyone has an educated opinion about it.

So its time to use the scientific method, with pictures.
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Science would call for a number of samples. Testing one is interesting; please do and report back. But it is not "science."

At least they are modest:
The best knife on earth just got better. This knife is made of high-quality 440C stainless steel to create the perfect balance of a blade that holds an edge, but is still easy to sharpen. The ultra tough titanium coating ensures that it will last a lifetime...
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440 Stainless Steel and Aircraft Aluminum are not part of what we make, but ALL of what we make.
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Forget that "440" alone is meaningless. What happened to the "titanium"?

In the very same office (not same building - same office - Suite 300, 5812 Trade Center Dr., Austin, TX):
American Gun Association (listed on Ripoff Report and outscam.com and pissedconsumer.com for scamming)
Family Protection Association ('free knife")
American Beauty Association
Founders Association
Blade Master - a Knife Making Course ("Taught by survival expert Dave Scott")
National Crafts Society
Fly Industrial Products, Ltd.
Ningbo Apexes Co., Ltd
 
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Ok, now we're just being rude.

The OP asked if we had any experience with a particular knife. We said "no, but because of reasons 1, 2 and 3 we can tell you with certainty that it's crap."

He said "thanks, but your educated guesses (which is EXACTLY what they are) isn't good enough for me so I'll buy one, test it and report back."

And we've been giving him undo grief since. I was concerned that he may just be plugging a product, but he said no. Good 'nuff.

Who knows, maybe he'll catch a wild hare and it'll turn out to be a great value beater. I don't like the company and their nonsense marketing, but cold steel is guilty of a lot of the same nonsense. We tolerate it because we know they make a great product. My hopes aren't high for this ting, but stranger stuff has happened.

To the OP: I apologize on behalf of myself and my friends here for not taking you at face value. Do you have a benchmark that you'll be comparing it to in your testing?
 
Also sold by "Cheaper China." (Could I make this up?)

Endorsed by differently-named supposed review sites with identical words and pictures.

Would you believe Family Protection Association (see above - same office) likes the knives? Would ya'?

Honest review: http://pocketknivesguide.com/hoffman-richter-knife-review/

AT one of those sites, "free fire starters." And so ....
I fell for a get the firestarters for free, just pay shipping [so they get your card info], on a Facebook Ad, then they sign you up to buy a knife and a subsciption to their survivial e-mails, no matter what you click or who you call to complain. So 15$ later, I am the unwanted owner of the Tactical Spring Assisted Folder by Hoffman-Richter.
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NOTE: Hoffman Richter is a brand owned by Idea Incubator, LP, a Ryan Deiss company. https://trademarks.justia.com/862/62/hoffman-86262411.html Think in terms of after Midnight TV "miracle" products. The reigning master of advertising BS.

Stay upwind, boys and girls.
 
Thomas Linton said:
What happened to the "titanium"?
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Yes.
The reputation of Ti knives have pretty much been destroyed by most manufacturers not being able to work Beta Ti thus churning out useless knives of other grades of titanium.

Few can work Beta but a Ti knife made properly is an excellent knife. Ive used my MISSION Beta Ti knives for years. One as a camp knife and another as a skinner - the latter also as a knife for kayaking, where a ti knife shines. Impervious to rust/salt water. They work just fine.

Too bad, that the market is flooded with ti knives, that dont work, as the customer expects.
 
T.L.E. Sharp said:
Ok, now we're just being rude.

The OP asked if we had any experience with a particular knife. We said "no, but because of reasons 1, 2 and 3 we can tell you with certainty that it's crap."

He said "thanks, but your educated guesses (which is EXACTLY what they are) isn't good enough for me so I'll buy one, test it and report back."

And we've been giving him undo grief since. I was concerned that he may just be plugging a product, but he said no. Good 'nuff.

Who knows, maybe he'll catch a wild hare and it'll turn out to be a great value beater. I don't like the company and their nonsense marketing, but cold steel is guilty of a lot of the same nonsense. We tolerate it because we know they make a great product. My hopes aren't high for this ting, but stranger stuff has happened.

To the OP: I apologize on behalf of myself and my friends here for not taking you at face value. Do you have a benchmark that you'll be comparing it to in your testing?
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*SIGH*

For some reason you insist on half truths and on offending. Thanks for calling others and myself rude.

First of all, YOU kicked it off by suggesting, the OP was the manufacturer.
T.L.E. Sharp said:
OP has 4 posts, all here... Perhaps we're dealing with the manufacturer.
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Secondly, since you hint at my wording, I did NOT say "no, but because of reasons 1, 2 and 3 we can tell you with certainty that it's crap."
BladeScout said:
And yes, we CAN say with a fair degree of certainty, that this is NOT a quality knife.
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Get your facts straight.

This is exactly as in a previous thread, where you have the audacity of lambasting me for my supposed claim of a 'single knife fail,' when I had clearly supplied a link , where it was clearly stated several -not one- had failed.



Thanks for yet another torpedo and for yet again making it about persons (which you incidentally kicked off, as mentioned)instead of letting it be about the knife. As this has now become mildly annoying and a waste of time, I wont be posting in this thread again.

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As for the knife in question - with the added info of mr Lintons good sleuth work, I still dont have much confidence in the Wolf knife (or 'Wold' as the manufacturer themselves misspell their own knife on their own website).

As others have mentioned, some of us wont have/get any experience with said knife, as we wont be buying it for (yet more) obvious reasons.

Its the customers money and he can buy, what ever knife he wants or doesnt want.

Good luck with the Hoffman-Richter, OP.
 
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Deiss doesn't care. He says its the marketing that counts, not the product. Snow to Eskimos and all that.
 
BladeScout said:
*SIGH*

For some reason you insist on half truths and on offending. Thanks for calling others and myself rude.

First of all, YOU kicked it off by suggesting, the OP was the manufacturer.


Secondly, since you hint at my wording, I did NOT say "no, but because of reasons 1, 2 and 3 we can tell you with certainty that it's crap."

Get your facts straight.

This is exactly as in a previous thread, where you have the audacity of lambasting me for my supposed claim of a 'single knife fail,' when I had clearly supplied a link , where it was clearly stated several -not one- had failed.

Im not saying your are but you sir, could easily be mistaken for a pompous windbag.

Thanks for yet another torpedo and for yet again making it about persons (which you incidentally kicked off, as mentioned)instead of letting it be about the knife. As this has now become mildly annoying and a waste of time, I wont be posting in this thread again.

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As for the knife in question - with the added info of mr Lintons good sleuth work, I still dont have much confidence in the Wolf knife (or 'Wold' as the manufacturer themselves misspell their own knife on their own website).

As others have mentioned, some of us wont have/get any experience with said knife, as we wont be buying it for (yet more) obvious reasons.

Its the customers money and he can buy, what ever knife he wants or doesnt want.

Good luck with the Hoffman-Richter, OP.
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You seem to have read a lot more into my post than was intended.

I take issue with being called a pompous windbag. I've done nothing to warrant such an insult and it's against forum rules.
 
As Ive edited my previous post, here the following after all:

T.L.E. Sharp said:
You seem to have read a lot more into my post than was intended.
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No, I really dont think, that I did.
Read my posts - amongst other things you skirt close to my wording in referring to the knife 'with certainty being crap,' which I never said.

You could of course apologize, but Im not holding my breath.

T.L.E. Sharp said:
I take issue with being called a pompous windbag. I've done nothing to warrant such an insult and it's against forum rules.
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Since you are butthurt, Ive deleted the comment, though I didnt say, that you were a pompous windbag - I said, that I wasnt calling you a pompous windbag, but you could be mistaken for a pompous windbag.

I have never called you a pompous windbag in the past and neither will I in the future call mr. T.L.E. SHARP for a pompous windbag.
 
Well, at least the thread is now about two members and not Ryan Deiss (Hoffman-Richter) and the knives he has made by CHINA. :(
 
T.L.E.Sharp and BladeScout, please drop the back and forth sniping at each other. Others will not follow the original topic as long as you continue to disrupt it. Just stop.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Well, at least the thread is now about two members and not Ryan Deiss (Hoffman-Richter) and the knives he has made by CHINA. :(
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Obviously a cynical effort to dupe customers with tactical nonsense and a German Sounding name ("Germans make good stuff")

I am sure he is making a ton of cash off the undiscerning.
 
Back to my original question: OP, do you have a benchmark that you'll be comparing the knife to?
 
Here are the criteria utilized for testing of both the HR Talon and the HR Wolf.
1. Hardness: Resistance to deformation when subject to stress and applied forces
2. Toughness: Resistance to damage and/or flexing when being used in heavy duty applications
3. Wear Resistance: Ability to withstand damage from both abrasive and adhesive wear
4. Corrosion Resistance: Resistance to corrosion such as rust
5. Edge Retention: Retention of sharpness when subject to periods of use
6. Ease of Sharpening: Ability to maintain an edge after periods of use

The knives could have been sharper out of the box. Both were given a better edge before use.

3" Hemp rope freehanging hack - Fairly good cut. 1 hack with the Talon, 3 with the Wolf
Wood chopping/hacking - Used as a hatchet. No unexpected results from using a knife to chop.
Stabbing and prying a hole through a 1/2" piece of untreated wood - Point maintained composure, with no bending during prying
Cutting and pushing through a steel coffee can - Stabbed and sawed through. Moderate dulling.
Hard Oak and Maple wood batoning - Limbs on live trees, as well as dead, fallen branches. Moderate dulling.
Soft Pine and Birch wood batoning - Limbs on live trees, as well as dead, fallen branches. Dulling not as bad, but wear noted after such.
Batoned into a dead Oak tree trunk - Tree cut down within the past year. Wolf's drop point blade worked better than the Talon's curved blade, despite the tanto tip.
Left outside in the snow and rain during a period of two weeks - Both during periods of freezing and above freezing, high humidity temperatures

Final findings are as follows.
HARDNESS: No deformation noted, except to blade edge during hard use. The blade edge begins to mushroom after light to moderate use. Spine held without any real damage.
TOUGHNESS: No chipping or cracking noted. Examined under a A 30×-21mm Hastings triplet magnifier
WEAR RESISTANCE: Superficial scratching, scuffing, and staining noted. Stain and most of the scratches buffed away with a polishing wheel on a Dremel tool.
CORROSION RESISTANCE: Tiny bits of surface rust noted, primarily upon those areas used the most.
EDGE RETENTION: Requires intermittent attention to maintain an edge during use. Failure to do so, results in mushrooming upon the edge.
EASE OF SHARPENING: Fairly easy to bring an edge back, save after extended use without blade maintenance.

Are the HR products meant to be a true, hardcore bushcraft knife? No. Edge retention is of issue. Though the ease of sharpening somewhat mitigates such.

Do they have their uses? Certainly. I would trust these knives to hunt, field dress, and butcher a kill, as both the edge and corrosion resistance are acceptable with this blade steel.
 
I am currently in the process of evaluating and reviewing two knives from Hoffman-Richter, and am not at all associated with the company. So far, in my horribly destructive evaluation, I am pretty dang impressed!
I tend to compare knives to the old Buck brand knives and so far, the Hoffman-Richter Wolf would stand well along side and in some ways exceed them. Both knives are made from 440C stainless steel. Great steel for holding an edge, easy to touch up, but a bear to totally resharpen if you allow them to get 'hoe' dull or if you want to change the angle of the edge. Being an old trapper, I tend to make a narrower edge (about 18°) on most knives so I can get a "shave my face" edge on them. This makes a knife better to skin or gut with, but dulls much quicker than the wider (25° to 30° edge). I never liked working myself to death, so I don't mind touching them up more.
I've extensively used the Buck General, Folding Hunter, and Skinner for skinning, gutting, boning, and the Skinner for dubbing (removing all the flesh and fat from a skin in preparation for stretching and drying the fur for selling), and have found the Wolf to hold up as well as the Buck knives. The Hoffman-Richter blade is a bit thicker which makes it tougher but also heavier.
I saw one comment that said the Hoffman-Richter was a "fugly" knife. Well, in the traditional sense, it's not what I'd call a beautiful knife either. I have beautiful knives. Made by leading knife Craftsmen, and sold at a pretty penny for collecting. Hoffman-Richter doesn't make those kind of knives. And after visiting their website earlier this evening, they don't claim toake that kind of knife. They claim their knives are workhorses. Tough, unbreakable and ready to use and abuse. So far, I'd have to say they didn't lie. I still have some anise to heap on the Wolf, and yet to receive the Talkin, which I plan to abuse as well. If they continue to show me what I've seen so far, I would have to say I'm impressed.
 
Oh yes, I just saw you can buy one of their folders on Amazon for 11.95! The best knife made for such a price. Impressive !
 
I especially am impressed by the liner lock "safety switch."
"Liner-lock safety switch - Standard on all quality knives, the HR-15 is no exception and includes this important safety feature."
 
It's always suspicious to me when someone comes here using meaningless terms, comparisons to something described incorrectly or throws in a couple terms and uses them incorrectly. I imagine some hack attempting to create their own opinion and knowledge leaders to use for their own gain. Perhaps I'm cynical . The other one talked about hardness as if he didn't know it could be measured. Personally I'd turn one of those down if given it for free. I don't have time for garbage.

Barking up the wrong chicken as Rem or stimpy used to say. Can't recall which one. :)
 
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