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What caliber rifle for various use?

True, but ballistics are based on bullet shape and BC. The bullets ability to overcome gravity, as well as starting velocity.

I thought BC was the measurement of how a bullet dealt with wind resistance? :confused: not gravity ? :confused: I am not trying argue but I thought it was a more about how a bullet was "streamlined" . But I have been wrong before...;)
 
Well it looks like Jim is busy.
Let me try to explain what I think.
When the 22-250 is -0- at 200 yds it drops about 5.75" @ 300 with 60 gr sp and retains about 770 ft lbs of energy.
When the 243 is -0- at 200 yds with a 100 gr sp, it is only about 2" lower at 300 yds than the 22-250 yet it retains 1100+ ft lbs of energy.
If you want to learn more use Google or buy a book.
I don't mean to be argumentative, but exterior ballistics is a fairly complex subject to get across on a Forum thread.
 
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i love my .308's.... 165gr btsp runs right off my 168gr bthp dope and i can drop anything i can see with it. i know there are others out there, but .308 gets my vote for all around....
 
Me too, M48. It looks like we use the same type of loads designs.
I like to keep my hunting loads as close as possible to my target loads.
 
If I could only own one rifle, living in North America, it would have to be the 7mm-08. It's a superb do-all caliber.

It is amazingly flat shooting in a short action cartridge. And it will take out small game/varmints with much less meat damage than older, traditional deer rounds.

With a good, careful shot, it will take down anything in N. America.

It's recoil is negligible (if that's a problem).

Great round.
 
I built a lightweight do all once. Browns pounder stock, kick eeze pad, 700 ADL, douglas #4 cut ro 17", light mounts and rings and leupold 1.5-5. in .308 shooting Barnes 130gr solid copper.
weight and length were identical to Winnie 94 with 1/2 accuracy at 100 yars and great range. If I did it again, it would be .223. but the concept of the rifle would not change.

Also used the Ruger #1 lightweight in .243- heavy but compact and a nice little rifle.

Now I hunt with the Rem LVSF in 7mm-08.... nothing to complain about there!

2Door
 
If I could only own one rifle, living in North America, it would have to be the 7mm-08. It's a superb do-all caliber.

It is amazingly flat shooting in a short action cartridge.

No offense, but I keep hearing this and don't understand it.

Comparing like bullets (140-gr Ballistic Tip for 7mm-08 and 150-gr Ballistic Tip for .308), the 7mm-08 drops ONE INCH less at 500 yards. How is that noticeably flatter shooting than .308? On paper, yes, in the field, you won't notice it.

Velocity is 20-40 fps faster with a 10 grain heavier bullet for the .308, so i don't know how the 7mm-08 is considered much lighter in recoil in practice.

I mean both will do the same thing, I just don't see where there's any advantage of one over the other, yet a lot of people say there is. Seems to me it's more a case of "I want to shoot something different than the next guy."
 
The 308 is still more versatile, if for no other reason, the 30 caliber will give you a heavier bullet for bigger game. I have had several 7mm-08 rifles as well. I loved them but as I cut down on the number of rifles, hey 308 offered more overall.
 
.243 with 100 gr. rounds. But hell just get a marlin 1895G in .45-70 and you will be set for anything in north america but you might not have much left of a squirrel unless you get a head shot lol
 
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I didn't look up BC. But in the world of practical ballistics, it is the bullets ability to overcome all outside forces. I use BC as a way to pick bullets for a caliber. The higher the BC, the better they will retain velocity and energy down range. Sectional density of a bullet will indicate to me how much or little it will expand at a given velocity.

I am to old to change my definitions which mainly come from a Kajillion rounds fired and reloaded. However, there is nothing wrong with using the exact terminology.
 
Look into a 6.5 Grendel in the AR platform. Mine does what a .223 or .243 does and more. Excellent BC and SD.
 
I thought BC was the measurement of how a bullet dealt with wind resistance? :confused: not gravity ? :confused: I am not trying argue but I thought it was a more about how a bullet was "streamlined" . But I have been wrong before...;)

It is. Nothing can overcome gravity no matter how it's shaped. However a more streamlined bullet with travel more efficiently, and get to the target quicker resulting in less influence of gravity. Less bullet drop.
If you were to graph all bullet drop vs time all bullets would all be exactly the same (9.8ms^2). People call it "flatter shooting" just because It isnt the the air for as long in the first place.
 
It is. Nothing can overcome gravity no matter how it's shaped. However a more streamlined bullet with travel more efficiently, and get to the target quicker resulting in less influence of gravity. Less bullet drop.
If you were to graph all bullet drop vs time all bullets would all be exactly the same (9.8ms^2). People call it "flatter shooting" just because It isnt the the air for as long in the first place.

Exactly. Think of this, two bullets the same weight, the same caliber, shot at the same velocity. Both shot to 400 yards. One has a Ballistic Coefficient of .150 because it is a round nose soft point. The other has a BC of .490 because it is a spitzer boat tail. Everything the same except BC. The .490 will not drop as much because it retains velocity. The .150 looses velocity at a much higher rate. Gravity is pulling on both bullets the same because they weigh the same.
In none of my posts did I claim that the .22-250 would have more foot pounds of energy. It will be faster than the .243. Super fast if you load 40 grns or less.
I have books and ballistic charts from Hornady, Lyman, Speer and Barnes. I do not see a need to buy any more since I mainly shoot Barnes now and their data in online which I found by using Google two years ago.
 
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I will keep what little i know about ballistics to myself. we have plenty of experts here.
 
SD/TOF for me means wind resistance. as far as a banjo string trajectory.... range VS. drop is an easy compensation. Wind is the big problem. But then again, if I am not completely sure, no shot. This is about hunting, shooting is optional.

2Door
 
If the biggest game you hunt with this rifle are deer (coastal blacktail aren't huge, IIRC), and you're mostly shooting coyotes and smaller varmints, then the .22-250 makes a lot of sense.

Either will do the job just fine, though.
 
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Well, shoot. Read the thread, the posters all make good comments, and we could go on forever as to which is the best caliber, bullet weight, etc. So, as a GHOF (grey haired old fart) of 75 and a hunter, shooter, LEO, and gunsmith off and on for nearly 60 years let me chime in.

I'm no ballistics scientist either but I have had a lot of general training and an old Army explanation of bullet drop was---mount a rifle parallel to flat ground, fire the rifle and drop a bullet at the same instant and they'll both hit the ground at the same time. In other words, gravity pulls on both equally and they both started from the same height. A 160 grain 30-06 or .308 bullet drops about 70 to 80 feet at 1000 yards, that's a lot of drop. They drop about eight feet at 500 yards although the 06 has a slight edge because of a larger powder charge and 200 fps or so more velocity. The faster the bullet, the farther it can travel as gravity is acting on it.

Another Army lesson was in shooting up OR down hill and it was pounded into our heads to shoot low. It your target is some distance away and either up or down hill from you, it may be say 300 yards away if you stretched a string between you and the target. That's 300 yards over the sloping earth. However, if you draw an imaginary line straight down from the uphill target or a line up from the downhill target, then measure your distance to that imaginary line it will be much shorter and that's the real distance wherein gravity will work on the bullet. Since it's a shorter distance gravity wise you'll overshoot if you use the actual distance of the slope.

My favorite elk gun in heavy timber where long shots are rare is a S&W 41 mag revolver. I've shot elk and deer with that handgun for years and also carry it on duty with my local sheriff's dept as my standard sidearm. My loads push a 220 grain semi jacket softpoint at just over 1700 fps. That's slow by rifle standards but still a lot of energy with the half ounce bullet (437 grains to the ounce). I also hunt with either of a pair of 45-70 revolvers with 10 inch barrels. These fling a 405 grain bullet at close to 1800 fps and they'll drop a deer, elk, or boar right now. I don't hunt bear but have fired in the ground in front of a couple of blackies with one of the heavy handguns to spray rocks and dirt in their faces. They ran one direction and I speedingly walked away in the other direction. I have no doubt either caliber would bring one down quick.

For rifles, I don't think a good 30-06, the uncle of the .308, can be beat. Bullet weights range from 90 to 220 grains. And an 06 is even a good squirrel gun, as is any thirty caliber, if you dump about two grains of Bullseye pistol powder in a primed case, and seat one OO buckshot (also 30 cal) in the case mouth with a bit of kleenex or toilet paper as a patch. This is deadly accurate out to 20or 30 yards, makes little noise, and has about zero recoil. Saves having to pack a 22 or other small gun for little critters for camp meat. When I hunt for big stuff with a 30 cal (06, 308, 30-30, even a 300 mag, I always take 15 or 20 of the appropriate caliber Bullseye/Buckshot rounds with me.

I also own and regularly shoot a 7 mag, a couple of 308s, two old 30-30s, a 45-70 single shot, and so on. I like 'em all. Mainly I'm a handgun nut but I do know their limits and long range is one of them. There's nothing better than a potent handgun nice and dry under your jacket in a chest holster when you've scrambling through snowy brush and rocks way up there, I don't like any rifle then when I need both hands to push and pull on low limbs and climb over rocks.

Anyway, an enjoyable thread and thanks to the initiator and other posters. BTW, to my experience, an 06 or 308 with a 150 grain bullet sighted dead on at 100 yards will be about five or six inches high at 200, back in the bullseye at 300, about 2.5 to 3 feet low at 400 and 7 to 8 feet low at 500. The bullet really slows down as it gets out there beyond 300 or so which is why the BC becomes crucial, the 'streamlining' helps retain velocity.
 
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