Hell, my stove is made out of an aluminum can. I'm not worried of something is considered disposable, as long as it works.
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What can a Mora do that a SAK can't?
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Hell, my stove is made out of an aluminum can. I'm not worried of something is considered disposable, as long as it works.
Neither am I. Another question entirely is whether I will use something that is disposable if I can use something that works better still and isn't disposable.
great to know, thanks. I'll check the new regulations for fire restrictions, I'll increase the size of my alcohol fuel bottle. (which is just a plastic pop bottle. also disposable
)Neither am I. Another question entirely is whether I will use something that is disposable if I can use something that works better still and isn't disposable.
I tend to go with the most basic stuff I can get, as long as it's functional. Are the nicer ones really worth the money? What is better about 'em?
They are to me. Ultimately, it's down to you and your preferences and needs. One can survive most everything with a flint knife without a handle, or even without any knife. So, "need" is relative, as is "worth." But for some more money, there are loads of knives that hold a better edge than a Mora, take more punishment than a Mora, look prettier than a Mora, and just plain do everything better. Moras certainly have a great price to performance ratio, though.
Hmmm then he can take a Vic Outrider, basically a 111mm lock-blade version of the Vic Huntsman. The Outriders only an ounce heavier.A Mora won't accidentally fold over onto your finger, leaving you with a nasty, soon-to-be infected cut miles by foot from the nearest emergency room.
The back of the vics sawblade is great for striking sparks off a ferrorod.
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Don't worry, not a flame war, just different opinions about stuff
Do you have any recommendations from buck or cold steel which would be better for a reasonable price? i'm always looking for better stuff
I would sooner take something such as these....
http://www.newgraham.com/detail.aspx?ID=6425
http://www.newgraham.com/detail.aspx?ID=5170
http://www.newgraham.com/detail.aspx?ID=6365
http://www.newgraham.com/detail.aspx?ID=3530
However there have been many on the makers forum for around these prices and are much better knives !!!
Such as this...
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=552475
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Beat me to it!
Just get an Outrider. You have the locking blade, bigger handle, woodsaw plus scissors which are handy anyway. Man, now I want one!When's your trip!? I'm leaving August 1, 2008! I'm lightening down my pack in all ways except my knife. No good reasoning behind it, but a knife is just one thing that I'm not willing to trade ounces with.
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I should elaborate that the FB may not add that much weight overall in my case as it means that I can pack a wood stove made from a tin can instead of an alcohol or gas stove. It will still probably come out an ounce or two heavier, but I'm not going to worry about it.
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i would say that if you are going to be on a trail, with food and water for at least a couple of days in your pack, you should be fine with the SAK.
i personally like to sit and whittle from time to time when i am resting or at night before going to sleep, so i would bring a fixed blade (probably my trusty mora). the mora only adds a couple of ounces, so it would be worth it to me.
if you are trimming weight, and you are on a trail where there are plenty of other hikers and you won't be skinning deer and you won't be building shelter, and you won't be making fig fours...etc...then you can probably leave the mora at home safely. the SAK should do just fine, including that saw which will be handy just in case something bad actually does manage to happen (or to cut a stick to size for a hiking staff, or to make an emergency crutch, etc)
in my opinion, you are safe with the SAK
i personally like to sit and whittle from time to time when i am resting or at night before going to sleep, so i would bring a fixed blade (probably my trusty mora). the mora only adds a couple of ounces, so it would be worth it to me.
if you are trimming weight, and you are on a trail where there are plenty of other hikers and you won't be skinning deer and you won't be building shelter, and you won't be making fig fours...etc...then you can probably leave the mora at home safely. the SAK should do just fine, including that saw which will be handy just in case something bad actually does manage to happen (or to cut a stick to size for a hiking staff, or to make an emergency crutch, etc)
in my opinion, you are safe with the SAK
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I know that you are gonna think I'm trying to be a jerk..but I really mean this in the nicest way..if you cant carry the "extra" weight of a Mora, than hang up your boots bro. Seriously...I dont see how that could mean any extra wear or tear on your feet or knees...you would add about 3000% more weight on your legs by simply running naked.
The knife will fit almost anywhere..its light, and it will be fun around the camp. BRING IT!
The knife will fit almost anywhere..its light, and it will be fun around the camp. BRING IT!
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A mora won't accidentally kill your wallet.
What can a Mora do that a SAK can't? Well, baton. Unless your SAK has a saw (and it does), then you don't have to worry about that. If I had to choose between the 2, I would take a Vic Huntsman or Farmer. If you want a fixed blade also, then I would look at something more substantial.
The SAK's cut just as well, if not better than a Mora.
The SAK's cut just as well, if not better than a Mora.
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i could see an sak breaking or the lock failing under some circumstances, so i would bring the mora just in case.
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A question that occurs to me is "Do you have a knife that you consider a survival knife? Something you would want to use when TSHTF?" And if so, how do you know this won't happen when you're backpacking? And if you can tell these things, then you can completely avoid them, therefore never needing anything bigger than an SAK. (and look at all the money you'd be saving 
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But what if you're wrong?
I don't backpack anymore, although I used to and I understand the weight considerations, but I would cut corners every other place, but not with my knife.
And I agree with Elen, that you can get by with a stone chip to fulfill your knife needs, but who wants to?
And as far as Moras are concerned, my experience with them, apparently, have been much more rewarding than Pitdog's. In fact, even though I used them for years, I never knew they were inadequate until I joined this forum.
So why did I buy an RC-3, order a Hairy Carry, express an interest in an Active Duty? Because I love them all! but I can get by very nicely, with just a Mora.
Doc
)But what if you're wrong?
I don't backpack anymore, although I used to and I understand the weight considerations, but I would cut corners every other place, but not with my knife.
And I agree with Elen, that you can get by with a stone chip to fulfill your knife needs, but who wants to?
And as far as Moras are concerned, my experience with them, apparently, have been much more rewarding than Pitdog's. In fact, even though I used them for years, I never knew they were inadequate until I joined this forum.
So why did I buy an RC-3, order a Hairy Carry, express an interest in an Active Duty? Because I love them all!
but I can get by very nicely, with just a Mora.Doc
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Well - I find having to open up a knife blade on a slippy a real PITA in the bush. I like having a knife on my hip where I can reach down, grab the handle with my hand and begin using it. I don't like reaching down, fishing around in my pocket, grabbing the knife, finding the little slot for my thumb nail to open up the knife. I don't like having to put down whatever it was that I wanted to cut in my other hand because I have to find the little thumbnail slot and use both hands to open my knife. I don't like having to try to clean out the groove where the folding knife sits as it fills up with what ever it is I'm cutting.
I think fixed blades are by and large safer to use. I use a SAK and am conscious of how the blade folds on you when you press the spine. However, it still surprises me sometimes when I'm doing something with a slippy and partly fold the blade unitentionally. If find this happens more often then I would like it to.
I do like having a SAK for EDC in the city where in my pocket it is not noticed and a big fix blade on a sheath draws attention. I do like a SAK for its cool little tools that are very functional. I do appreciate there is a blade on the SAK that gets pretty sharp. I just don't think that blade is nearly as useful as a 4" scandi grind that you find ona mora.
I think fixed blades are by and large safer to use. I use a SAK and am conscious of how the blade folds on you when you press the spine. However, it still surprises me sometimes when I'm doing something with a slippy and partly fold the blade unitentionally. If find this happens more often then I would like it to.
I do like having a SAK for EDC in the city where in my pocket it is not noticed and a big fix blade on a sheath draws attention. I do like a SAK for its cool little tools that are very functional. I do appreciate there is a blade on the SAK that gets pretty sharp. I just don't think that blade is nearly as useful as a 4" scandi grind that you find ona mora.
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if you're going to use your knife to load your wood stove, take the mora. or take your SAK and try to load your wood stove with it and see why you're going to want to use your mora instead.
if you're just going to break up branches to load your stove, just take your SAK. you don't need the mora - simply because you don't need to carry an extra four ounces over 200 miles.
personally, i don't have the experience hiking that much mileage - but i have enough that if i were contemplating 270 miles, every single ounce would have to justify itself. and most of the tools on a SAK wouldn't make the cut - personally, i'd take take the mora and leave the SAK at home. maybe you're asking the question backwards - what can a SAK do (that absolutely has to be done) that a Mora can't? just a thought....
if you're just going to break up branches to load your stove, just take your SAK. you don't need the mora - simply because you don't need to carry an extra four ounces over 200 miles.
personally, i don't have the experience hiking that much mileage - but i have enough that if i were contemplating 270 miles, every single ounce would have to justify itself. and most of the tools on a SAK wouldn't make the cut - personally, i'd take take the mora and leave the SAK at home. maybe you're asking the question backwards - what can a SAK do (that absolutely has to be done) that a Mora can't? just a thought....
"if you're going to use your knife to load your wood stove, take the mora. or take your SAK and try to load your wood stove with it and see why you're going to want to use your mora instead."
in my opinion, given the SAK in question has a saw blade, this statement is backwards, or at least invalid. a mora is not the tool to use when loading a woodstove of any type, and though it can be used to cut small trees, the saw on the SAK would be much better suited (faster, cleaner cut with less effort). a mora is just as inadequate, if not more, at building shelter and starting fire as an SAK, depending on the tools in the SAK.
i love the moras, but they are certainly not going to stock the stove or put up a lean-to any faster than an SAK.
in my opinion, given the SAK in question has a saw blade, this statement is backwards, or at least invalid. a mora is not the tool to use when loading a woodstove of any type, and though it can be used to cut small trees, the saw on the SAK would be much better suited (faster, cleaner cut with less effort). a mora is just as inadequate, if not more, at building shelter and starting fire as an SAK, depending on the tools in the SAK.
i love the moras, but they are certainly not going to stock the stove or put up a lean-to any faster than an SAK.
Hi Orthoclase! (sorry, just a geology joke. We abbreviate potassium feldspars as K-spar 
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If you've decided not to bring 2 (SAK + Mora), then a good choice is a locking SAK with saw, such as a Rucksack. If you need scissors, too, then maybe a small folding scissors or EMT scissor shears.
I would think if you are using a knife for extended periods of time, and for food prep, the FB (Mora) is less fatiguing, safer, and it is easier to cut things with due to the length. The FB may give you better piece of mind, security-wise.
Seriously, bring both. Is it really that big a weight penalty considering their usefulness and the fact that your carry weights will go down as you go through your food supplies?
)If you've decided not to bring 2 (SAK + Mora), then a good choice is a locking SAK with saw, such as a Rucksack. If you need scissors, too, then maybe a small folding scissors or EMT scissor shears.
I would think if you are using a knife for extended periods of time, and for food prep, the FB (Mora) is less fatiguing, safer, and it is easier to cut things with due to the length. The FB may give you better piece of mind, security-wise.
Seriously, bring both. Is it really that big a weight penalty considering their usefulness and the fact that your carry weights will go down as you go through your food supplies?