What Chinese stuff is okay?

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Seeing as how I'm not near studied or experienced enough to know what knives are made in what factories, thus what Chinese brands are safe, what is?

I've clearly seen WE and Civivi mentioned and recommended in here often, so those are safe. In some old posts I've also seen a brand I'd never heard of or seen before, Kansept. Are they also on the preordained list to not get flamed here?

CH has been around a while, but I don't know their history. I've had my head so buried into the watch world for so long I just don't have the retrospect. Any help? I'd love to see a Chinese subforum or maybe Chinese/Russian... Are their Russian knife manufacturers? Soviet stuff can be so simple but so functionally flawless. They are in watches and guns anyway.
 
There are a lot of decent Chinese knife manufacturers:

Reate: king of Chinese knife making and, truth be told, one of the highest quality manufacturers *anywhere*. Reate does OEM work for many U.S. knife designers. If you see the name Reate you can buy with confidence.
Bestech: quality knives at a variety of price points. Also do high quality OEM work.
WE/Civivi/Sencut: see above.
Kizer: Decent quality knives at generally affordable prices. One of the top budget-to-mid-price names. They also do some OEM work and may manufacture Kansept knives (rumored).
QSP: Sort of like Kizer.
Kubey: Same as above.
CJRB: Ditto.
CRKT: A step below the above, in my opinion, but not bad.
Twosun: A real mixed bag here. Some of their models are amazing and great values. Others are trash, and there's a whole range in between.

And there are more I'm sure I'm forgetting.
 
I think that's a good question to ask.

I'd say the most controversial thing about knives from China are the counterfeits- knives designed to try and fool people into thinking they are the real thing.

The next level of controversy are clones and IP theft- making identical or almost identical copies of other honest brands knives, or using licensed or patented designs without proper permission.

Different members will have different feelings on whether clones and IP theft are as bad a counterfeits. And of course there are members who think any knife made in China is "bad".

The problem with Chinese brands is that one brand might produce several different models, some completely original, some flat-out copies/clones, and/or some with stolen IP. So it can be difficult to know if a particular brand is making "bad" knives. A person can do research on the brand, but they could easily miss something.

I don't think a person should catch flak if they buy a knife from a brand without knowing that the brand also makes "bad" knives. Nor do I think a person should catch flak if they buy a "bad" knife without knowing it's "bad". People can't be expected to be able to identify every clone or instance of IP theft, or to know every knife a brand makes.

I'm not knowledgeable about the "good" Chinese brands (or Russian), I basically just wanted to say that I think it was a good question for you to ask.
 
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There are a lot of decent Chinese knife manufacturers:

Reate: king of Chinese knife making and, truth be told, one of the highest quality manufacturers *anywhere*. Reate does OEM work for many U.S. knife designers. If you see the name Reate you can buy with confidence.
Bestech: quality knives at a variety of price points. Also do high quality OEM work.
WE/Civivi/Sencut: see above.
Kizer: Decent quality knives at generally affordable prices. One of the top budget-to-mid-price names. They also do some OEM work and may manufacture Kansept knives (rumored).
QSP: Sort of like Kizer.
Kubey: Same as above.
CJRB: Ditto.
CRKT: A step below the above, in my opinion, but not bad.
Twosun: A real mixed bag here. Some of their models are amazing and great values. Others are trash, and there's a whole range in between.

And there are more I'm sure I'm forgetting.
Reate was the other I was trying to think of. Not a fan. I've looked at their website a dozen times in the last week and not seen a single tempting thing. I was actually very disappointed. With all the hype I had high expectations, but I'm sure they're quality, just not my style.

I can't believe I forgot about TwoSun, I've owned a few and have a few new ones on order right now also.

CJRB and Artisan Cutlery are something I planed on trying, but I'm looking for higher end.

Kubey looks tempting for sure. I figured they were neck and neck with CH.

CRKT is an Oregon based company, I know I live here. I have them, Gerber, Benchmade, Leatherman and Kai right in my backyard. It's amazing actually. I've taken tours and sold cars to higher-ups in each who've given me free passes, discount codes and sneak peaks on things.

Got a free special edition Mini Grip once too. Unfortunately i no longer work for that dealer and no longer work with prime credit people so... no more benefits. Lol

Anyway, I'm still curious about Kansept, they've got some real interesting stuff to me.
 
The OP's question is a bag of worms. I have seen some Chinese made knives that are quite good quality and some that are total garbage. Prior to maybe five or ten years ago they were all pretty bad. Rike knives made for Microtech are very very good; probably the best of any Chinese knives IMO. I have not seen another Chinese made knife that compares. I believe that Microtech is keeping very tight control of Rike Knives quality on these and it shows. The Socom Bravo is a very nice knife and is not as overpriced as WE and some of the others. Even with very good quality there are a slew of human rights, environmental, political, and ethical reasons to discount them.

From the OP concerning Russian watches and firearms. I don't consider much of them to be of high quality in any way. Russian firearms are reliable but generally not accurate and watches are neither, IMO.
 
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So these thoughts are based on personal experience. I've had many examples from some of these companies.

WE/Sencut/Civivi, Kizer, and Bestech have been the best overall with the first two companies averaging better than the third.

Petrified Fish is great on the low end but tend to leave crisp edges on their scales. Lots of people in the community don't seem to care about that kind of thing so take that based on your own tastes. (I'm prone to sanding or filing scales in search of ergonomic improvement.) I'm not big on Chinese D2 but these guys seem to do one of the better budget heat treatments.

Ruike and Real Steel both seem to be made by Sanrenmu. Both of those brands tend to be okay. On folders, some people love them and they are notable for offering 14C28N at low prices. My experience with the folders has mostly been "okay". The best things I've seen from either brand have been fixed blades in either 14C28N or 9Cr18Mov*. Sanrenmu also makes a bunch of SAK-like multi-knives that are decent. They show up variously under these brand names and also as the Boker Tech Tools. As a manufacturer, Sanrenmu has made knives for lots of companies including Boker and Spyderco. Their named brand suffers from being made cheaply to sell at low prices, some mall-ninja designs, and a few knives that look suspiciously like Chris Reeve designs.

TwoSun is interesting but I have mixed feelings about them. On the one hand, their machining tends to be excellent. They also work with a bunch of different designers and offer some pretty interesting stuff. On the other hand, there has been some question on the quality of their heat treatments. They tend to go with overly thick blade stock. While some people see detent ramps as a premium feature, they often interrupt my usual closing method for flippers. Also, their entry into this price category is based on their atypical distribution in the US where lots of stuff goes through an authorized dealer on an auction site. They have a new budget brand called SixLeaf but the one example I tried had an issue. (They put an aggressive texture on the blade that the detent ball had to skip over. This had an unfortunate effect on the action.)

Harnds doesn't release a lot of new models but they continue to offer a few standouts in the "under $50" category. The Talisman remains my favorite.

Trivisa is a new manufacturer who seems to be decent but I only have one of their knives. I'm curious to see where they go.

CH CH Knives is interesting in that they often make knives for other companies and don't have much in the way of direct distribution over here. They were notable for being the only trustworthy knives distributed by Eafengrow but more on that in a minute. My main issues with CH have been inconsistent quality control, knives leaving the factory with strong-smelling oil, and regular use of permanent thread-locker.

Eafengrow Avoid like the plague. They are a rebranding distributor and infamous for stamping whatever steel they think will sell on pieces of 8Cr13 or 5Cr15.

Artisan/CJRB Too many lemons. Yeah, I'm just one guy but one guy should get like five lemons from one company.

QSP Also too many lemons... maybe six?

* Note that 9Cr18Mov in the Civivi and Sencut knives gets an exceptional heat treatment and will perform better than if you get that steel from any other manufacturer listed here. It's otherwise a decent budget steel and generally still a big step up from the best 8Cr13Mov. It's just much better in knives from the WE brands (including the stuff they make for Ferrum Forge).
 
So these thoughts are based on personal experience. I've had many examples from some of these companies.

WE/Sencut/Civivi, Kizer, and Bestech have been the best overall with the first two companies averaging better than the third.

Petrified Fish is great on the low end but tend to leave crisp edges on their scales. Lots of people in the community don't seem to care about that kind of thing so take that based on your own tastes. (I'm prone to sanding or filing scales in search of ergonomic improvement.) I'm not big on Chinese D2 but these guys seem to do one of the better budget heat treatments.

Ruike and Real Steel both seem to be made by Sanrenmu. Both of those brands tend to be okay. On folders, some people love them and they are notable for offering 14C28N at low prices. My experience with the folders has mostly been "okay". The best things I've seen from either brand have been fixed blades in either 14C28N or 9Cr18Mov*. Sanrenmu also makes a bunch of SAK-like multi-knives that are decent. They show up variously under these brand names and also as the Boker Tech Tools. As a manufacturer, Sanrenmu has made knives for lots of companies including Boker and Spyderco. Their named brand suffers from being made cheaply to sell at low prices, some mall-ninja designs, and a few knives that look suspiciously like Chris Reeve designs.

TwoSun is interesting but I have mixed feelings about them. On the one hand, their machining tends to be excellent. They also work with a bunch of different designers and offer some pretty interesting stuff. On the other hand, there has been some question on the quality of their heat treatments. They tend to go with overly thick blade stock. While some people see detent ramps as a premium feature, they often interrupt my usual closing method for flippers. Also, their entry into this price category is based on their atypical distribution in the US where lots of stuff goes through an authorized dealer on an auction site. They have a new budget brand called SixLeaf but the one example I tried had an issue. (They put an aggressive texture on the blade that the detent ball had to skip over. This had an unfortunate effect on the action.)

Harnds doesn't release a lot of new models but they continue to offer a few standouts in the "under $50" category. The Talisman remains my favorite.

Trivisa is a new manufacturer who seems to be decent but I only have one of their knives. I'm curious to see where they go.

CH CH Knives is interesting in that they often make knives for other companies and don't have much in the way of direct distribution over here. They were notable for being the only trustworthy knives distributed by Eafengrow but more on that in a minute. My main issues with CH have been inconsistent quality control, knives leaving the factory with strong-smelling oil, and regular use of permanent thread-locker.

Eafengrow Avoid like the plague. They are a rebranding distributor and infamous for stamping whatever steel they think will sell on pieces of 8Cr13 or 5Cr15.

Artisan/CJRB Too many lemons. Yeah, I'm just one guy but one guy should get like five lemons from one company.

QSP Also too many lemons... maybe six?

* Note that 9Cr18Mov in the Civivi and Sencut knives gets an exceptional heat treatment and will perform better than if you get that steel from any other manufacturer listed here. It's otherwise a decent budget steel and generally still a big step up from the best 8Cr13Mov. It's just much better in knives from the WE brands (including the stuff they make for Ferrum Forge).
Good stuff. Thank you!
 
So these thoughts are based on personal experience. I've had many examples from some of these companies.

WE/Sencut/Civivi, Kizer, and Bestech have been the best overall with the first two companies averaging better than the third.

Petrified Fish is great on the low end but tend to leave crisp edges on their scales. Lots of people in the community don't seem to care about that kind of thing so take that based on your own tastes. (I'm prone to sanding or filing scales in search of ergonomic improvement.) I'm not big on Chinese D2 but these guys seem to do one of the better budget heat treatments.

Ruike and Real Steel both seem to be made by Sanrenmu. Both of those brands tend to be okay. On folders, some people love them and they are notable for offering 14C28N at low prices. My experience with the folders has mostly been "okay". The best things I've seen from either brand have been fixed blades in either 14C28N or 9Cr18Mov*. Sanrenmu also makes a bunch of SAK-like multi-knives that are decent. They show up variously under these brand names and also as the Boker Tech Tools. As a manufacturer, Sanrenmu has made knives for lots of companies including Boker and Spyderco. Their named brand suffers from being made cheaply to sell at low prices, some mall-ninja designs, and a few knives that look suspiciously like Chris Reeve designs.

TwoSun is interesting but I have mixed feelings about them. On the one hand, their machining tends to be excellent. They also work with a bunch of different designers and offer some pretty interesting stuff. On the other hand, there has been some question on the quality of their heat treatments. They tend to go with overly thick blade stock. While some people see detent ramps as a premium feature, they often interrupt my usual closing method for flippers. Also, their entry into this price category is based on their atypical distribution in the US where lots of stuff goes through an authorized dealer on an auction site. They have a new budget brand called SixLeaf but the one example I tried had an issue. (They put an aggressive texture on the blade that the detent ball had to skip over. This had an unfortunate effect on the action.)

Harnds doesn't release a lot of new models but they continue to offer a few standouts in the "under $50" category. The Talisman remains my favorite.

Trivisa is a new manufacturer who seems to be decent but I only have one of their knives. I'm curious to see where they go.

CH CH Knives is interesting in that they often make knives for other companies and don't have much in the way of direct distribution over here. They were notable for being the only trustworthy knives distributed by Eafengrow but more on that in a minute. My main issues with CH have been inconsistent quality control, knives leaving the factory with strong-smelling oil, and regular use of permanent thread-locker.

Eafengrow Avoid like the plague. They are a rebranding distributor and infamous for stamping whatever steel they think will sell on pieces of 8Cr13 or 5Cr15.

Artisan/CJRB Too many lemons. Yeah, I'm just one guy but one guy should get like five lemons from one company.

QSP Also too many lemons... maybe six?

* Note that 9Cr18Mov in the Civivi and Sencut knives gets an exceptional heat treatment and will perform better than if you get that steel from any other manufacturer listed here. It's otherwise a decent budget steel and generally still a big step up from the best 8Cr13Mov. It's just much better in knives from the WE brands (including the stuff they make for Ferrum Forge).
The Ruike Jager is a solid fixed blade. Like that knife.

Thanks for sharing this. Nice overview there.
 
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From the OP concerning Russian watches and firearms. I don't consider much of them to be of high quality in any way. Russian firearms are reliable but generally not accurate and watches are neither, IMO.
This is extremely ignorant and inaccurate.
Even with very good quality there are a slew of human rights, environmental, political, and ethical reasons to discount them.
knarfeng knarfeng this is political and why I reported the comment. The conclusion was incorrect, but not the point of my report.
 
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