What dagger option exist?

Hashishiin said:
I've been wanting a knife from David Mary David Mary soon. You taking commissions, man? I need a good fixed blade and I love your stuff.. If you are, I have yer email.
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You're welcome to email me your ideas.
 
I can't help but wonder- How good does a dagger designed for "sword fighting" really need to be? Is there a lot of actual sword fighting going on these days that you need a premium steel and a good cutting edge?

If it's for recreational "training" then I would think a dull blade that can't cut would be safer.

Just wondering. I don't know anything about the world of sword fighting or sword fight training. But hey, if you want an expensive "user" sword-fighting dagger, more power to you. I hope you find what you're looking for :).
 
billyTheBlade said:
A Rondel dagger, tanto or Bowie knife etc are better for knife tasks but a double-edged blade gives you access to certain fighting techniques some of which depending on the situation can be very effective.
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Wth? A rondel dagger was designed specifically to PENETRATE armor weak spots. Seriously what kind of HEMA(?) school do you go to?

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Besides, you're not going to be using the dagger to actually engage in "medieval combat" with anyone unless you want some serious legal trouble. 🙄
 
billyTheBlade said:
All those steels are high toughness steels. CPM-MagnaCut is a little different in that it has lower toughness but still higher then most stainless steels. You are right that CPM-MagnaCut is probably a bad pick. Something like Z-Tuff would be better.

The reason I want a minimum of 9+ inches is because that is the minimum length of a small medieval dagger.

My training is in fencing and 9 inches in the minimum length you can use with sword fighting techniques. So many of the knifes I see are so poorly designed as fighting knifes. It is kind of depressing. I really don't know knife fighting techniques only sword/dagger.

I have owned stuff from cold steel in the past the edge bevel did not match up. Maybe I should buy a Quillon dagger from Tod Cutler I have no idea what steel he uses.
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Oh that makes some sense. For a blade that long carbon steel makes the most sense. What you're looking for is probably a traditional dagger for Spanish or Italian sword and dagger fencing, and most people making long daggers like that will have them in simple carbon steel. 1055-1095 or 5160 or 6150 or something similar for production knives and probably the same for custom to be honest. I don't think there's anyone doing real traditional swords or daggers out of contemporary tool steels or high-toughness stainless. The people working with those steels are broadly not the people making traditional weapons and vice versa.
billyTheBlade said:
Do you have any recommendations. I have heard good stuff about Carothers. I don't know if they do custom work.

I think I would need to draw up a CAD diagram because a lot of fighting knives are not well designed. I think it would be a big a risk of wasting $600 and not getting a useable dagger. Probably my first design may end up sub optimal. At least I would be able to design a mostly useable dagger with useable blade geometry / distal taper / fuller / center of gravity.

I should probably 3d print a design. Before I send it away to a custom maker.

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Carothers does not do custom work, no.
Drop bear said:
Ironically also a smatchet.
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Smatchet knife best knife!
 
Indeed daggers are the most deadly weapons if not most powerful in combat. I've bought something interesting from steel will Made in Italy. It comes with N690Co Stainless Steel and Micarta scales. The size is good for every day carry and the look is quit
 
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killgar said:
I can't help but wonder- How good does a dagger designed for "sword fighting" really need to be? Is there a lot of actual sword fighting going on these days that you need a premium steel and a good cutting edge?

If it's for recreational "training" then I would think a dull blade that can't cut would be safer.

Just wondering. I don't know anything about the world of sword fighting or sword fight training. But hey, if you want an expensive "user" sword-fighting dagger, more power to you. I hope you find what you're looking for :).
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Yeah. Watching that review on the pig sticker. It was mentioned the sides were not that sharp so you don't cut yourself as the pig thrashes around.

Bayonets, or at least the SLR one I got to play with wasn't that sharp. And the theory was that it created a more dangerous wound. (Of course blood groves were also mentioned so who knows)

But mabye the razor blade in super steel really isn't the gold standard in murder knives
 
madcap_magician said:
Oh that makes some sense. For a blade that long carbon steel makes the most sense. What you're looking for is probably a traditional dagger for Spanish or Italian sword and dagger fencing, and most people making long daggers like that will have them in simple carbon steel. 1055-1095 or 5160 or 6150 or something similar for production knives and probably the same for custom to be honest. I don't think there's anyone doing real traditional swords or daggers out of contemporary tool steels or high-toughness stainless. The people working with those steels are broadly not the people making traditional weapons and vice versa
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Cult of Athena does some historical daggers.
 
Legendary_Jarl said:
Wth? A rondel dagger was designed specifically to PENETRATE armor weak spots. Seriously what kind of HEMA(?) school do you go to?

gladatoria-dagger_finish.jpg


Besides, you're not going to be using the dagger to actually engage in "medieval combat" with anyone unless you want some serious legal trouble. 🙄
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Some Rondel daggers can be good cutters it depends. They are not stilettos they all have a flat bevel/hollow ground cutting edge. So you could cut off straps on armor etc.

For example
 
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billyTheBlade said:
Some Rondel daggers can be good cutters it depends. They are not stilettos they all have a flat cutting edge. So you could cut off straps on armor etc.

For example
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Yeah, so? what's the problem?
The one I suggested has:
5160 Steel
Strong Tip
Cutting Capacity
9 inch blade
Isn't that what you were asking for? 😒🙄
 
Legendary_Jarl said:
Yeah, so? what's the problem?
The one I suggested has:
5160 Steel
Strong Tip
Cutting Capacity
9 inch blade
Isn't that what you were asking for? 😒🙄
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Rondel daggers are single edged. I want something like a Quillon dagger, Arkansas Toothpick or maybe a Baselard dagger that is doubled edged. Also the grips on Rondel daggers are too specialized.

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I am thinking about the Darksword armory Norman Dagger (#1803) or many the Gothic Dagger (#1816) in 5160. The Norman Dagger looks like it has a slightly wider and heavier blade. Does anyone have any experience with these?
 
Busse Combat had the FMv8 and FMv14 series of knives in their INFI steel. These daggers are 8" amd, well, you get the idea. They will be priced like high end small batch semi-customs. Look either on auction sights or busse specific folder in the for sale listings on bladeforums.

Cold steel tai pan in cpm 3v?
N.C. Custom has a smaller Sting dagger and the larger Force model.
Would something like the Tops feral pig hunter work in 1095?

My favorite, and missed out on design is, was?, Treeman Knives Combat Dadder" They're out of production and according to Behring Knives, the tooling is gone so finding one on the secondary market
 
I would say if want a medieval reproduction go with tod cutler he has todcutler.com which is production with his specs and tod cutlers workshop he makes himself they are made to be used not just looked at
 
Hinderer makes a REALLY nice dagger, I think it’s called the EK. Off the top of my head I’m pretty sure it’s more like 6-7”, but it is double sided, 3V, with generous finger guards, and one of the most intricate grinds I have ever seen. They are pricey. And rare.
 
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