What do you guys think about CUSTOM KNIVES..

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Are they to expensive for you? Or do you not believe in the performance aspect compared to the veteran knife producers? I ask because I would love to see some growth in our community. Custom knives are works of art that usually will excel in their given tasks. I believe they cut BETTER then any production piece I have carried. And the mechanics seem to last longer. How can we get some of you into the custom community? I have been wondering for a long time. Customs can be expensive but some are very reasonable, and work VERY well. Used ones come around for sale and make GREAT additions to your pockets.

I have owned and used many Spydercos, Benchmade Emersons, Puma hunters, Emersons popular models, Paragons, Microtechs, Gerbers, Cold Steel, etc... and nothing compares to my handmade carry knife that is with me everyday. I'm even talking function, not beauty.
 
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Jon, this is a good question. I have both productions and customs. Lately I have been pursuing customs mostly but I still have time for both.

I go for customs because they offer a 'uniqueness' factor that is lacking in productions. This to me is the thing. Yes, thanks to modern equipment and computers many custom makers can duplicate a knife endlessly and many do that, but each knife is still unique.

As to performance, I have not found that customs offer better performance over productions. This is is simply not true in my opinion. Production companies can offer knives with state of the art materials at VERY attractive prices. When talking bang for your buck, they win hands down. But (most) custom makers will make it the way you want it, and each knife is unique. Also, there is much pleasure in dealing direct with custom makers and waiting to take delivery of that one special knife. Some pain, but mostly pleasure. :D

For knife lovers, there is much to be gained by playing on both sides of the field.
 
What is TOO expensive? A very different question for the individual.
I see loads of people recoiling in horror by the thought of paying over 50-100 bucks for a knife - let alone for full blown customs.

Further more, there are A LOT of super nice production knives on the market and they will perform most tasks that you ask of them.

I can see, why some wont dream of purchasing a custom knife with all the nice production knives out there.

That being said, there are other factors to be considered in purchasing a custom knife.

At least IMO.

The joy of owning a custom knife that came out right can simply not be overrated IMO.

Some makers work with you and let you voice the specs you want.

For some reason the knives, that I have asked a custom maker to make all came out better than expected.
I could not be happier with the knives and I wouldnt change an iota about any of them.

I like non-polished hard use working knives and thats exactly what I got.

Finding the right custom maker is a must.
Ive heard some horror stories, but must admit that I dont understand how some will simply say "Make me a knife" and only supply lose specs and then not communicate with the knifemaker, until the customer slaps down the funds and see the knife - only then to bitch about "Thats not what I wanted." What do you expect, if you dont put dont exact specs to a CUSTOM knifemaker (its sort of implied in the word, that you are dealing with a guy, who makes a product differing from stock knives).

Communication is all-important. You need to convey exactly what you want.

Ive been blessed in the respect, that Ive only ordered from guys who were VERY patient with me pestering them with specs and who were okay with some changes along the way in some instances.

Lon Humphrey is a great guy and knifemaker.
He happily jumped into the fray and were pleased to make me a hard use pig sticker.
Our communication included A LOT of emails and Lon happily worked with me all the way.
Further more he included some design details/changes which with his knife knowledge made the knife FAR better than expected.

First pic is Lon with the prize winning knife of his, that originally caught my attention and made me want one is Lon's knives very bad. Other knife Lon holds is a variation with some pig sticking changes. Notice more pointy blade, less belly and other changes making it perfect for sticking hogs.





That I originally wanted a lazy S shaped hand guard and that Lon instead insisting on making the Bowie pig sticker with a very special handguard consisting of two balls in the guard design only made the knife better.



Lon had seen the old guard design in some old knife litterature and as Im historically interested (not least in Bowie history), I couldnt be happier.

As Lon said, "one needs balls to go up against hogs with a knife,"LOL!

The knife is fantastic, PERFECT for pig sticking and I would not change an iota about it.

A custom knife will bring you joy working with it for a long time and be sure to bring a smile on your face every time you handle it:D

At least that is how it is for me. I couldnt possibly be happier with my custom knives and very much appreciate that the custom makers would make the knives for me. They are all great guys and their knives all rock!

Rob Scheppmann made one of his 'Hunter' knives for me with a few changes.

Id seen one of his larger knives and liked what I saw.

I originally wanted a heavily modded small skinning/hunting knife in a design, that I'd seen in a knife from another knifemaker, but Again with some changes.

We shot some emails back and forth and Rob suggested some design changes as well.

At some point a good ways into the process, Rob even made a metal mock-up of the knife outline and sent it to me in a mail, so you can see, that we were far along in the design phase of the knife; Rob had obviously spent some time on communication and also on the execution of the one-of-a-kind design, that I wanted.

Sending me a pic of the metal mock-up of the knife was were Rob made a move, that meant more work for him, as he had sent me the mock-up pic with one of his own hunting knife designs for comparison.

I freaked when I saw Rob knife, as that was IMO superior to what I oroginally had suggested.

I wanted to change my order, but agonized over it, as Rob had already by then spent time on the original design.

In the end, I knew I wouldnt be happy with my suggested knife after seeing the beautiful and well executed knife, that Rob sent along for comparison.

An email was sent to Rob asking if it was alright to change knife designs in midstream - if not Id stay with my original idea.

Rob was polite and nice to deal with as ever; he said 'no problem at all' and seamlessly made a new knife with some changes that I wanted (non-polished, slight change to the blade, butterscotch handle slabs etc).

The result is a great knife and perfect for the purpose at hand. Ive skinned quite a few deer with it and I could not ask for a nicer better knife for the purpose. A2, super sharp and long lasting edge.

Rob is great to deal with and makes a great hard use working knife.





At some point, I wanted a 'Bushcraft' knife and would like an amalgamation of features from various bushcraft knives. Not least the Skookum Bush Tool of which Im a great admirer.

I wanted details incoporated in the design from not only one knife, but severel other very nice bushcraft knives, that I had seen and liked individual details from.

For the knife I turned to my friend and knifemaker, Lars.

He makes some beautiful knives but had never made a bushcraft knife before, so he jumped at the chance and really spent a considerable amount of time on the design. There were several F2F meets, oceans of phone calls, emails and pics shot back and forth in the design phase.

Also a great guy to deal with and again, I could not be happier with the result.

The bushcraft knife came out exactly as I had envisioned it - only far better.

Its a laminated hard use knife. Even though it has a relatively thick blade made in the bushcraft spirit, it also is fine for skinning.
A great knife.







Bottom line: Custom knives dont have to cost a million and be safe queens. Fine for those who want that and have the funds for it - more power to them.
I just happen to like non-polished, no frills hard use working knives and have been lucky in the sense, that Ive asked some great guys who made exactly the knives, that I wanted. Thanks guys.

PHEW! This came out longer than I wanted it to - but its a subject close to my heart. Thanks for your patience and for reading.
 
the problem is you have companies like coldsteel putting videos out of there performance and people see that and want to buy it. i rarely see custom knife makers puting videos up of there knives performance. people need to see the difference!
 
What is TOO expensive? A very different question for the individual.
I see loads of people recoiling in horror by the thought of paying over 50-100 bucks for a knife - let alone for full blown customs.

Further more, there are A LOT of super nice production knives on the market and they will perform most tasks that you ask of them.

I can see, why some wont dream of purchasing a custom knife with all the nice production knives out there.

That being said, there are other factors to be considered in purchasing a custom knife.

At least IMO.

The joy of owning a custom knife that came out right can simply not be overrated IMO.

Some makers work with you and let you voice the specs you want.

For some reason the knives, that I have asked a custom maker to make all came out better than expected.
I could not be happier with the knives and I wouldnt change an iota about any of them.

I like non-polished hard use working knives and thats exactly what I got.

Finding the right custom maker is a must.
Ive heard some horror stories, but must admit that I dont understand how some will simply say "Make me a knife" and only supply lose specs and then not communicate with the knifemaker, until the customer slaps down the funds and see the knife - only then to bitch about "Thats not what I wanted." What do you expect, if you dont put dont exact specs to a CUSTOM knifemaker (its sort of implied in the word, that you are dealing with a guy, who makes a product differing from stock knives).

Communication is all-important. You need to convey exactly what you want.

Ive been blessed in the respect, that Ive only ordered from guys who were VERY patient with me pestering them with specs and who were okay with some changes along the way in some instances.

Lon Humphrey is a great guy and knifemaker.
He happily jumped into the fray and were pleased to make me a hard use pig sticker.
Our communication included A LOT of emails and Lon happily worked with me all the way.
Further more he included some design details/changes which with his knife knowledge made the knife FAR better than expected.

First pic is Lon with the prize winning knife of his, that originally caught my attention and made me want one is Lon's knives very bad. Other knife Lon holds is a variation with some pig sticking changes. Notice more pointy blade, less belly and other changes making it perfect for sticking hogs.





That I originally wanted a lazy S shaped hand guard and that Lon instead insisting on making the Bowie pig sticker with a very special handguard consisting of two balls in the guard design only made the knife better.



Lon had seen the old guard design in some old knife litterature and as Im historically interested (not least in Bowie history), I couldnt be happier.

As Lon said, "one needs balls to go up against hogs with a knife,"LOL!

The knife is fantastic, PERFECT for pig sticking and I would not change an iota about it.

A custom knife will bring you joy working with it for a long time and be sure to bring a smile on your face every time you handle it:D

At least that is how it is for me. I couldnt possibly be happier with my custom knives and very much appreciate that the custom makers would make the knives for me. They are all great guys and their knives all rock!

Rob Scheppmann made one of his 'Hunter' knives for me with a few changes.

Id seen one of his larger knives and liked what I saw.

I originally wanted a heavily modded small skinning/hunting knife in a design, that I'd seen in a knife from another knifemaker, but Again with some changes.

We shot some emails back and forth and Rob suggested some design changes as well.

At some point a good ways into the process, Rob even made a metal mock-up of the knife outline and sent it to me in a mail, so you can see, that we were far along in the design phase of the knife; Rob had obviously spent some time on communication and also on the execution of the one-of-a-kind design, that I wanted.

Sending me a pic of the metal mock-up of the knife was were Rob made a move, that meant more work for him, as he had sent me the mock-up pic with one of his own hunting knife designs for comparison.

I freaked when I saw Rob knife, as that was IMO superior to what I oroginally had suggested.

I wanted to change my order, but agonized over it, as Rob had already by then spent time on the original design.

In the end, I knew I wouldnt be happy with my suggested knife after seeing the beautiful and well executed knife, that Rob sent along for comparison.

An email was sent to Rob asking if it was alright to change knife designs in midstream - if not Id stay with my original idea.

Rob was polite and nice to deal with as ever; he said 'no problem at all' and seamlessly made a new knife with some changes that I wanted (non-polished, slight change to the blade, butterscotch handle slabs etc).

The result is a great knife and perfect for the purpose at hand. Ive skinned quite a few deer with it and I could not ask for a nicer better knife for the purpose. A2, super sharp and long lasting edge.

Rob is great to deal with and makes a great hard use working knife.





At some point, I wanted a 'Bushcraft' knife and would like an amalgamation of features from various bushcraft knives. Not least the Skookum Bush Tool of which Im a great admirer.

I wanted details incoporated in the design from not only one knife, but severel other very nice bushcraft knives, that I had seen and liked individual details from.

For the knife I turned to my friend and knifemaker, Lars.

He makes some beautiful knives but had never made a bushcraft knife before, so he jumped at the chance and really spent a considerable amount of time on the design. There were several F2F meets, oceans of phone calls, emails and pics shot back and forth in the design phase.

Also a great guy to deal with and again, I could not be happier with the result.

The bushcraft knife came out exactly as I had envisioned it - only far better.

Its a laminated hard use knife. Even though it has a relatively thick blade made in the bushcraft spirit, it also is fine for skinning.
A great knife.







Bottom line: Custom knives dont have to cost a million and be safe queens. Fine for those who want that and have the funds for it - more power to them.
I just happen to like non-polished, no frills hard use working knives and have been lucky in the sense, that Ive asked some great guys who made exactly the knives, that I wanted. Thanks guys.

PHEW! This came out longer than I wanted it to - but its a subject close to my heart. Thanks for your patience and for reading.

no plastic gloves?
 
the problem is you have companies like coldsteel putting videos out of there performance and people see that and want to buy it. i rarely see custom knife makers puting videos up of there knives performance. people need to see the difference!

People in the market for Cold Steel blades are most likely not in the market for custom blades - hence the generic videos.
 
Custom knives have an undeniable cool factor that goes beyond performance in my humble opinion. The artistry that goes into many customs and the attention to detail is unmatched in the production world for the most part. And with the right maker, you can really get the knife of your dreams hand made to your specs or design and have a piece unlike anyone else's.

This naturally leads me to mention that Alan Davis, a member of these forums, is a fantastic craftsman and gentleman. I had him make the knife you see in my signature to my specs and the way he executed it was better than I could have dreamed. And considering it cost me about as much as a CRK, I have to say it was money well spent! I can't wait for Mr. Davis to finish my next one I'm waiting on, a Swayback Jack styled flipper with Damascus blade and bolsters and Carbon Fiber scales...

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I've also worked with my good friend Ryan Carlson, he goes by New York Knifemaker on YouTube. I actually ran into him after he commented on one of my videos and I noticed his name. After looking up his site and calling him up, I knew I needed a knife from him. He's a fantastic guy to talk to and he really loves what he does. Oh, and yeah his knives are nice too! Here's my favorite of the two I have (so far), I call it The Ice King.

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So needless to say, I'm all aboard the custom train, but I still love my productions. I just really like the relationship you can develop individually with custom makers that really lens something extra special about the knife you get from them. It's like how I will never sell my Laconico Blast because what Ray did for me after I got that knife with botched lockup in a secondhand sale was awesome and I cannot compliment him enough for being the good gentleman he is. Fixing that knife, quickly, and for free, after I gave you no money for it and explicitly asked if paying for a refurb was an option is above and beyond for a hand made knife maker IMO.

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Okay, now I'm done gushing...
 
Custom knives are great as long as they are functional. I dont want i knife to put on my mantle because it looks cool. i want a custom knife because it is hand made with superior materials, and design. if i pay in the $400+ range i want a knife that will last me forever.
 
I think even if you have a custom knife made with everything you want in a knife, there's no guarantee that it's going to feel exactly the way you want. You take a chance with that part and have to trust the maker on that one.
 
I think everyman should own one custom knife and one custom rifle. A knife and rifle that will be the only ones of their like in existence as they were made made specifically for that man. That's the "uniqueness factor". There's a difference between handmade and custom. While a custom will be handmade, not all handmades are custom. Neither a custom knife nor a custom rifle need be either fancy or prohibitively expensive.

Here's my custom knife from Tom Mayo in the mid-late '90s. ATS34 and micarta. Ain't fancy and wasn't very expensive, but it is MY (custom) knife.
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Here's my custom rifle from a Steyr M1903 Mannlicher Schonauer 6.5X54MS action from 1909 I rescued for $80 in 1998 from an idiot who was wanting to modify it for the 7.62X39mm cartridge. By 2000 I had a rifle built on it. The stock blank was about a third of the rifle's cost. Then having the stock made put the stock at half+ the cost of this rifle. The barrel was custom turned and crowned from a Krieger blank. The barrel and metal work made up the remainder of the cost. I could have saved much in the stock and barrel but wanted what I have.
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Custom knives are great as long as they are functional. I dont want i knife to put on my mantle because it looks cool. i want a custom knife because it is hand made with superior materials, and design. if i pay in the $400+ range i want a knife that will last me forever.

Agreed completely. Every knife is a user to me because otherwise I can't justify the expense!

And sunandsteel, of course you always assume that risk. Good communication can minimize it, but overall it's always there. That's the good part about customs though, if you don't like it you can sell it and get your money back!
 
Agreed completely. Every knife is a user to me because otherwise I can't justify the expense!

And sunandsteel, of course you always assume that risk. Good communication can minimize it, but overall it's always there. That's the good part about customs though, if you don't like it you can sell it and get your money back!

I'm the same way, if I'm not going to use it I won't buy it. Hate watching things collect dust.
Absolutely, communication with the maker is key to being satisfied with the knife. I can't afford anything super high end but if and when the time comes it will have to be a custom build somewhat in my price range. :p
 
I'm the same way, if I'm not going to use it I won't buy it. Hate watching things collect dust.
Absolutely, communication with the maker is key to being satisfied with the knife. I can't afford anything super high end but if and when the time comes it will have to be a custom build somewhat in my price range. :p

I definitely recommend Alan Davis for relatively affordable full customs. He has a long waitlist (about 10-12 months) but it's totally worth the wait. My flipper from him has bearings in the pivot, an Elmax blade, hand rubbed satin finish, and hand carved titanium scales and ran me $440 shipped. Still not cheap, but pretty damn good for a hand made one of a kind full custom.
 
I don't have any experience with custom folders because I frankly can't see how any of them will perform edc tasks better then my SAK. So spending 400-600 bucks on a folder that can't do what I need on a daily bases just isn't going to happen.

I DO have experience with custom fixed blades. With one exception, they have all functioned worse then my factory blades. When a 13 dollar mora cuts rings around a 200 dollar fixed blade, you kind of get the impression that they're not all that great. If you're a collector then custom is a must. If you're a user...there's really no reason for them. Just my 2 cents.
 
I started with productions and still enjoy them but as I got to more expensive productions it makes it harder to go back to a lesser quality knife. I am not in the high end production and custom range and I find customs to be very much worth it at least around the makers price not secondary market inflation to an extent. Customs have character far superior materials and in general just better fit and finish. There is something to say about a hand built knife and the interaction between a customer and maker. I know what goes into the knife and appreciate the craftsmenship. I also know that my money is going to that person who is providing a superior product and making the knife himself. They are worth it to me but I still appreciate a good production knife as well. Having a one off or limited knife is very special as well, designing the materials and finish on a model a maker makes to make he knife your own is fun.
 
I enjoy customs, and own a few, but I have found that they quickly increase in price and become too expensive for me. This is capitalism and I have no issue with it. It's great that a talented knife maker gets paid for his talent. So with that in mind I enjoy browsing the "Knifemaker's For Sale" area for knives that catch my eye that are from newer knife makers and haven't reached my spending limit. There are A LOT of talented knife makers on this forum and some very good deals can be had. Especially on fixed blades. YMMV
 
I just put an order in with Tobin Smith today, i had to wait like six months for my name to come up but now that it's here i'm excited.
I ordered a 3.5" liner lock with Cf scales and red liners and a 3 piece anodized backspacer and M390 steel and he has emailed me numerous times already to confirm my wishes and i could not be more pleased with the communication.
There is something about working with a maker to get exactly what you want that makes the purchase that much more satisfying and whoever says that the value just isn't there from customs must not be working with the right maker.
I'm getting everything i asked for 325.00.... i think that is an awesome value.
 
I just put an order in with Tobin Smith today, i had to wait like six months for my name to come up but now that it's here i'm excited.
I ordered a 3.5" liner lock with Cf scales and red liners and a 3 piece anodized backspacer and M390 steel and he has emailed me numerous times already to confirm my wishes and i could not be more pleased with the communication.
There is something about working with a maker to get exactly what you want that makes the purchase that much more satisfying and whoever says that the value just isn't there from customs must not be working with the right maker.
I'm getting everything i asked for 325.00.... i think that is an awesome value.

Absolutely, I am carrying a Tobin today as a matter of fact. I can't wait to see pics of your knife, please post some when you get a chance. This is the kind of value I am talking about, a made-to-order, hand made knife, with great fit and finish for less than a Sebenza or Strider. You have to feel good about that!
 
Absolutely, I am carrying a Tobin today as a matter of fact. I can't wait to see pics of your knife, please post some when you get a chance. This is the kind of value I am talking about, a made-to-order, hand made knife, with great fit and finish for less than a Sebenza or Strider. You have to feel good about that!

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+1 :thumbup: He just ordered the steel and said it should be done around the 12th, as soon as i get it i'll post some pics!
 
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