What do you guys think about CUSTOM KNIVES..

I have a legit question, this isn't just for the sake of argument...

Do most custom makers offer lifetime no-question warranties like benchmade and spyderco? And if so is the turn around time to get a repair/replacement 2-3 weeks?

I use production knives (because I can't afford customs) but also because of the wait time involved, I can't afford to pay someone hundreds of bucks to wait months or even years. Secondary market is a choice but will the maker warranty something bought used?
 
I don't have any experience with custom folders because I frankly can't see how any of them will perform edc tasks better then my SAK. So spending 400-600 bucks on a folder that can't do what I need on a daily bases just isn't going to happen.

I DO have experience with custom fixed blades. With one exception, they have all functioned worse then my factory blades. When a 13 dollar mora cuts rings around a 200 dollar fixed blade, you kind of get the impression that they're not all that great. If you're a collector then custom is a must. If you're a user...there's really no reason for them. Just my 2 cents.

Thats actually quite a sad read - no offence.
I must stress, that I dont find YOU sad, but find it too bad, that you have had such a negative and sad experience with what must be assumed are not one but several makers.
Though I dont agree with you (I find my custom knives cuts just fine and further more as custom knives can be made specifically to ones hand size, thats just an added bonus. I have some that fits me like a glove, if thats whats called for in case of fine work), I wont argue that you seem to have gotten some knives that you dont like. But could you narrow it down - just out of interest? What was wrong with the knives - your choice of steel, the heat treatment or what?

Did you choose some super steel, that was messed up in the process or was wrong for the task in comparison with some knives of another steel, that you already had?

I mean, if you went for 1095 they should cut just as well as your production 1095 knives. Pretty hard to mess that up.

As for custom knives being only for collectors and not for users - I dont think, that I could disagree more. One simply gets a lot of joy out of a custom knife IMO. But then Im of course perfectly happy with my knives, LOL.

The more I read tales like the above, the more I realize how lucky I have been in the case of the knives, I have had made.
 
I have a legit question, this isn't just for the sake of argument...

Do most custom makers offer lifetime no-question warranties like benchmade and spyderco? And if so is the turn around time to get a repair/replacement 2-3 weeks?

I use production knives (because I can't afford customs) but also because of the wait time involved, I can't afford to pay someone hundreds of bucks to wait months or even years. Secondary market is a choice but will the maker warranty something bought used?

I think it depends on the maker, but i do believe most if not all will warranty their knives as long as they weren't abused or misused.... and i'll bet their turnaround time is quicker than 2-3 weeks.
And i haven't sent any money yet and i don't plan on it till the knife is complete, so i don't know what that "I can't have my money tied up for month's" thing is all about.
 
I have a legit question, this isn't just for the sake of argument...

Do most custom makers offer lifetime no-question warranties like benchmade and spyderco? And if so is the turn around time to get a repair/replacement 2-3 weeks?

I use production knives (because I can't afford customs) but also because of the wait time involved, I can't afford to pay someone hundreds of bucks to wait months or even years. Secondary market is a choice but will the maker warranty something bought used?

Every maker that I've dealt with has had a lifetime warranty regardless if you're the original owner or not. As far as it being no questions asked there are exceptions to that as there are with the companies you mentioned. Broken blades, signs of abuse, etc.

I've had to send two knives back to the maker for issues. Both were sent back the day after they received it for repair.

Also, I've never dealt with ANY maker that wanted the full cost up front. You don't dump five bills and then wait for your knife, it's the other way around.
 
I like to think that using a custom, or even semi-custom knife adds a personal attachment to both the mundane chores and the special events. In our world of mass-produced throwaway everything plastic safety bubble airbag automatic ABS radar warning braking cellphone upgrade gotta-have-it fast food world, even a person with modest income can obtain and use an elite tool. I can't afford a Ferarri, but I've got one in my pocket. (And yes, I'm happy to see you!)
 
I like to think that using a custom, or even semi-custom knife adds a personal attachment to both the mundane chores and the special events. In our world of mass-produced throwaway everything plastic safety bubble airbag automatic ABS radar warning braking cellphone upgrade gotta-have-it fast food world, even a person with modest income can obtain and use an elite tool. I can't afford a Ferarri, but I've got one in my pocket. (And yes, I'm happy to see you!)

Completely agree. Excellent post. :thumbup:
 
All of my folders are now custom....Pohan Leu and Les George. For me it has to do with the unique nature and functional aspect of the knife......It has to perform as well as be beautiful!! I have a couple of fixed blades that aren't custom, but most are now made by the wonderful craftsmen on this forum......The quality they provide is worth every penny to me in the end!! Also, the relationships you make are beyond monetary value.....
 
What is TOO expensive? A very different question for the individual.
I see loads of people recoiling in horror by the thought of paying over 50-100 bucks for a knife - let alone for full blown customs.

Further more, there are A LOT of super nice production knives on the market and they will perform most tasks that you ask of them.
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I like that knife...I'm hungry too now;(

I can see, why some wont dream of purchasing a custom knife with all the nice production knives out there.

That being said, there are other factors to be considered in purchasing a custom knife.

At least IMO.

The joy of owning a custom knife that came out right can simply not be overrated IMO.

Some makers work with you and let you voice the specs you want.

For some reason the knives, that I have asked a custom maker to make all came out better than expected.
I could not be happier with the knives and I wouldnt change an iota about any of them.

I like non-polished hard use working knives and thats exactly what I got.

Finding the right custom maker is a must.
Ive heard some horror stories, but must admit that I dont understand how some will simply say "Make me a knife" and only supply lose specs and then not communicate with the knifemaker, until the customer slaps down the funds and see the knife - only then to bitch about "Thats not what I wanted." What do you expect, if you dont put dont exact specs to a CUSTOM knifemaker (its sort of implied in the word, that you are dealing with a guy, who makes a product differing from stock knives).

Communication is all-important. You need to convey exactly what you want.

Ive been blessed in the respect, that Ive only ordered from guys who were VERY patient with me pestering them with specs and who were okay with some changes along the way in some instances.

Lon Humphrey is a great guy and knifemaker.
He happily jumped into the fray and were pleased to make me a hard use pig sticker.
Our communication included A LOT of emails and Lon happily worked with me all the way.
Further more he included some design details/changes which with his knife knowledge made the knife FAR better than expected.

First pic is Lon with the prize winning knife of his, that originally caught my attention and made me want one is Lon's knives very bad. Other knife Lon holds is a variation with some pig sticking changes. Notice more pointy blade, less belly and other changes making it perfect for sticking hogs.





That I originally wanted a lazy S shaped hand guard and that Lon instead insisting on making the Bowie pig sticker with a very special handguard consisting of two balls in the guard design only made the knife better.



Lon had seen the old guard design in some old knife litterature and as Im historically interested (not least in Bowie history), I couldnt be happier.

As Lon said, "one needs balls to go up against hogs with a knife,"LOL!

The knife is fantastic, PERFECT for pig sticking and I would not change an iota about it.

A custom knife will bring you joy working with it for a long time and be sure to bring a smile on your face every time you handle it:D

At least that is how it is for me. I couldnt possibly be happier with my custom knives and very much appreciate that the custom makers would make the knives for me. They are all great guys and their knives all rock!

Rob Scheppmann made one of his 'Hunter' knives for me with a few changes.

Id seen one of his larger knives and liked what I saw.

I originally wanted a heavily modded small skinning/hunting knife in a design, that I'd seen in a knife from another knifemaker, but Again with some changes.

We shot some emails back and forth and Rob suggested some design changes as well.

At some point a good ways into the process, Rob even made a metal mock-up of the knife outline and sent it to me in a mail, so you can see, that we were far along in the design phase of the knife; Rob had obviously spent some time on communication and also on the execution of the one-of-a-kind design, that I wanted.

Sending me a pic of the metal mock-up of the knife was were Rob made a move, that meant more work for him, as he had sent me the mock-up pic with one of his own hunting knife designs for comparison.

I freaked when I saw Rob knife, as that was IMO superior to what I oroginally had suggested.

I wanted to change my order, but agonized over it, as Rob had already by then spent time on the original design.

In the end, I knew I wouldnt be happy with my suggested knife after seeing the beautiful and well executed knife, that Rob sent along for comparison.

An email was sent to Rob asking if it was alright to change knife designs in midstream - if not Id stay with my original idea.

Rob was polite and nice to deal with as ever; he said 'no problem at all' and seamlessly made a new knife with some changes that I wanted (non-polished, slight change to the blade, butterscotch handle slabs etc).

The result is a great knife and perfect for the purpose at hand. Ive skinned quite a few deer with it and I could not ask for a nicer better knife for the purpose. A2, super sharp and long lasting edge.

Rob is great to deal with and makes a great hard use working knife.





At some point, I wanted a 'Bushcraft' knife and would like an amalgamation of features from various bushcraft knives. Not least the Skookum Bush Tool of which Im a great admirer.

I wanted details incoporated in the design from not only one knife, but severel other very nice bushcraft knives, that I had seen and liked individual details from.

For the knife I turned to my friend and knifemaker, Lars.

He makes some beautiful knives but had never made a bushcraft knife before, so he jumped at the chance and really spent a considerable amount of time on the design. There were several F2F meets, oceans of phone calls, emails and pics shot back and forth in the design phase.

Also a great guy to deal with and again, I could not be happier with the result.

The bushcraft knife came out exactly as I had envisioned it - only far better.

Its a laminated hard use knife. Even though it has a relatively thick blade made in the bushcraft spirit, it also is fine for skinning.
A great knife.







Bottom line: Custom knives dont have to cost a million and be safe queens. Fine for those who want that and have the funds for it - more power to them.
I just happen to like non-polished, no frills hard use working knives and have been lucky in the sense, that Ive asked some great guys who made exactly the knives, that I wanted. Thanks guys.

PHEW! This came out longer than I wanted it to - but its a subject close to my heart. Thanks for your patience and for reading.

_______I like that knife!!!!!
 
I like to think that using a custom, or even semi-custom knife adds a personal attachment to both the mundane chores and the special events. In our world of mass-produced throwaway everything plastic safety bubble airbag automatic ABS radar warning braking cellphone upgrade gotta-have-it fast food world, even a person with modest income can obtain and use an elite tool. I can't afford a Ferarri, but I've got one in my pocket. (And yes, I'm happy to see you!)

+1 :thumbup:
 
Thats actually quite a sad read - no offence.
I must stress, that I dont find YOU sad, but find it too bad, that you have had such a negative and sad experience with what must be assumed are not one but several makers.
Though I dont agree with you (I find my custom knives cuts just fine and further more as custom knives can be made specifically to ones hand size, thats just an added bonus. I have some that fits me like a glove, if thats whats called for in case of fine work), I wont argue that you seem to have gotten some knives that you dont like. But could you narrow it down - just out of interest? What was wrong with the knives - your choice of steel, the heat treatment or what?

Did you choose some super steel, that was messed up in the process or was wrong for the task in comparison with some knives of another steel, that you already had?

I mean, if you went for 1095 they should cut just as well as your production 1095 knives. Pretty hard to mess that up.

As for custom knives being only for collectors and not for users - I dont think, that I could disagree more. One simply gets a lot of joy out of a custom knife IMO. But then Im of course perfectly happy with my knives, LOL.

The more I read tales like the above, the more I realize how lucky I have been in the case of the knives, I have had made.

Materials and heat treat were always good. What the makers (I've had) mess up was the geometry. Edges too thick, too uneven, the blade wasn't oriented properly or the handles were blocky messes. Seriously, after several 100 dollars in customs, I still use my mora because it's comfy and cuts well. Something $200+ customs couldn't do. In fact the one knife I said was an exception cuts well but has fit and finish issues. I just don't see customs as any kind of value. Glad you like yours though. :thumbup:
 
I like to think that using a custom, or even semi-custom knife adds a personal attachment to both the mundane chores and the special events. In our world of mass-produced throwaway everything plastic safety bubble airbag automatic ABS radar warning braking cellphone upgrade gotta-have-it fast food world, even a person with modest income can obtain and use an elite tool. I can't afford a Ferarri, but I've got one in my pocket. (And yes, I'm happy to see you!)

Elite tool? That's a matter of perspective. ;)
 
Materials and heat treat were always good. What the makers (I've had) mess up was the geometry. Edges too thick, too uneven, the blade wasn't oriented properly or the handles were blocky messes. Seriously, after several 100 dollars in customs, I still use my mora because it's comfy and cuts well. Something $200+ customs couldn't do. In fact the one knife I said was an exception cuts well but has fit and finish issues. I just don't see customs as any kind of value. Glad you like yours though. :thumbup:
Thats horrible to hear and something one should not have happen - let alone not once but several times.
Sounds like you were extremely unlucky - how many different knives and makers are we talking about?
Amazing, that you had the bad luck to run into not one but several sloppy 'custom' knives. Almost unheard of.
Are we talking several established makers (without naming them) or are we talking someone calling themselves 'knifemakers?'
If you take a chance on a custom again, Id venture to say, that you can easily have a knife made without the problems you mention.
Look around, there are breathtakingly beautiful knives out there in all kinds of finishes and price ranges (and many many many satsified customers).
Go for it! Bring a little sunray into your life!!:D
Yes, MORA knives work fine, but there are other knives out there.
 
Materials and heat treat were always good. What the makers (I've had) mess up was the geometry. Edges too thick, too uneven, the blade wasn't oriented properly or the handles were blocky messes. Seriously, after several 100 dollars in customs, I still use my mora because it's comfy and cuts well. Something $200+ customs couldn't do. In fact the one knife I said was an exception cuts well but has fit and finish issues. I just don't see customs as any kind of value. Glad you like yours though. :thumbup:

Ain't nothin' wrong with what works for you! Sorry you had bad experiences, but I also think you're being unfair... Everyone knows Mora makes their blades with magical pixie dust that allows them to defy how good a knife at their price point should be!

In all seriousness though, that's why I specify in no uncertain terms when I order a custom that I want really thin geometry at the edge. From my experiences, the specified geometry is an advantage of the custom knives I have. Otherwise, there certainly is often a tendency to grind thick that your knife can fall victim to.
 
Two on my knives mentioned in this thread have perfect thin edges and work as intended.
The third has a thicker blade still works as intended, as its meant for 'bushcraft' purposes different than the two others mentioned.
 
Also, you people made me get on Tobin Smith's list for a larger liner lock now... This is why I shouldn't browse here!
 
I do see the problem some people have with custom folding knives. Shotgun said, he cant see how one could perform EDC tasks like a fixed blade. Thats mostly true. There are some exceptions. Check out Grayman. They are known for fixed blades. They recently Branched out into Bad Ass folders, that can be used like a fixed blade. Theres one called the Satu that you can cut down a friggin tree with. You can also customize them with different finishes, and handles. Its not full custom, but one of the best combinations of custom, and usability that ive seen.
 
How can we get some of you into the custom community?

I have a few assumptions to make before trying to answer your question:
1. A custom knife will be ergonomically superior over any other knife for me
2. It will have unique features that serve a purpose. An example of this would be the Emerson Wave or the HRD
3. It will cut better than my other knives
4. The mechanism will be exactly the way I design it to be
5. The knife should be attractive

Now, onto the things that would help get me into customs, based upon these assumptions.
1. For ergonomic superiority, I want to be able to meet with the maker. I would want measurements taken from my hands, and I would want him to take note of the way I use my knives and work with me to design the curves of the knife to fit me flawlessly. I would likely want a flipper, and I have a very specific set of wants for the flipper protrusion to be perfect for me.

2. As far as unique features, I would want to work with the maker to make the action of the knife better than perfect. I want to do engineering analysis of the design to make sure that every force is balanced flawlessly, and I want every piece of the knife designed to contribute to the robustness of the balance. I want to use a unique bearing system, I wouldn't want the pivot designed around available caged bearings.

3. The cutting performance should be easy for any custom makers. My tasks are very light, so I would just need a knife in a good steel with a fairly thin edge.

4. This is the biggest problem. If I want a custom knife, it will be everything exactly how I want a knife. That means no liner locks or frame locks, no back locks, not even an axis lock, my lock design will fit a very specific set of needs (more wants than needs, really ;)).

5. Similar to 3, pretty much any good maker can make a knife attractive. After all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so if I work on the design I will probably find the knife attractive :p

I don't need the knife to be handmade, in fact I would be quite satisfied with many CNC parts, perhaps just with hand finishing to ensure excellent fit. The biggest problem is that I have no reason to buy a custom knife that isn't perfect for me, and I've never seen anyone make a knife that is even remotely close to my kind of perfect.
 
I do see the problem some people have with custom folding knives. Shotgun said, he cant see how one could perform EDC tasks like a fixed blade. Thats mostly true. There are some exceptions. Check out Grayman. They are known for fixed blades. They recently Branched out into Bad Ass folders, that can be used like a fixed blade. Theres one called the Satu that you can cut down a friggin tree with. You can also customize them with different finishes, and handles. Its not full custom, but one of the best combinations of custom, and usability that ive seen.
There is a trend towards overengineered folders.
Some seem enamoured with them, but a folder can never be stronger as the weakest link i.e. the pivot.
 
I have a few assumptions to make before trying to answer your question:
1. A custom knife will be ergonomically superior over any other knife for me
2. It will have unique features that serve a purpose. An example of this would be the Emerson Wave or the HRD
3. It will cut better than my other knives
4. The mechanism will be exactly the way I design it to be
5. The knife should be attractive

Now, onto the things that would help get me into customs, based upon these assumptions.
1. For ergonomic superiority, I want to be able to meet with the maker. I would want measurements taken from my hands, and I would want him to take note of the way I use my knives and work with me to design the curves of the knife to fit me flawlessly. I would likely want a flipper, and I have a very specific set of wants for the flipper protrusion to be perfect for me.

2. As far as unique features, I would want to work with the maker to make the action of the knife better than perfect. I want to do engineering analysis of the design to make sure that every force is balanced flawlessly, and I want every piece of the knife designed to contribute to the robustness of the balance. I want to use a unique bearing system, I wouldn't want the pivot designed around available caged bearings.

3. The cutting performance should be easy for any custom makers. My tasks are very light, so I would just need a knife in a good steel with a fairly thin edge.

4. This is the biggest problem. If I want a custom knife, it will be everything exactly how I want a knife. That means no liner locks or frame locks, no back locks, not even an axis lock, my lock design will fit a very specific set of needs (more wants than needs, really ;)).

5. Similar to 3, pretty much any good maker can make a knife attractive. After all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so if I work on the design I will probably find the knife attractive :p

I don't need the knife to be handmade, in fact I would be quite satisfied with many CNC parts, perhaps just with hand finishing to ensure excellent fit. The biggest problem is that I have no reason to buy a custom knife that isn't perfect for me, and I've never seen anyone make a knife that is even remotely close to my kind of perfect.

Yeah...um...stick to production knives.
 
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