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Gossman Knives

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I'm about 9 or 10 knives away from totally catching up my backlog. Not many new orders coming in which is starting to concern me. If this trend continues, I may be done making knives next year. Maybe I'm being too negative but with the economy and the competetion, it may come to that.
I'm open to some new ideas. I have a few new designs in mind just haven't put anything together yet.
If anyone is looking to place an order, my wait time is down to about 2 months.
For now I plan on concentrating on my hunting and enjoying my time afield.
Thanks
Scott
 
I'm not sure exactly what the answer is Scott, for me your knives have always been right up there with the very best there is and I have drooled over them more times than I care to remember, sadly they are usually a little over what I can afford.
Maybe you could speak with the mods over on the main forum about doing a special W&SS Gossman Survival knife. Ask for input from forum members on it's design and then place a list to take orders as Dan Koster did with his neck knife. This type of thread usually allows members to save up the required funds and gives you enough orders to make it worthwhile getting them cut by waterjet etc !

I am truly sorry to hear you talking of quitting as I always thought you were swamped with orders, never have I heard anyone say anything other than how great your knives are !
 
pitdog, the problem is having enough revenue to keep the business running. I don't know how other makers handle things but I operate as business with a license, taxes, rent, electric, insurance and supplies. I had to drop my ad in TK magazine because it was too much.
I'm not planning on stopping knifemaking unless I'm forced into it.
I was swamped with orders but with the bad economic situation, alot of folks cancelled orders. Plus I made well over 300 knives in 2008 which shorten my backlog.
Hopefully things will pick back up again but if I'm not making a profit and able to pay operating costs I may not have much choice.
Scott
 
Scott, I'm saddened to read this post, and more so because this is the reality many artists and artisans are facing right now, and even more so because it is you, my friend who is dealing with it. I'd like to bring up some points strictly as devil''s advocate. Simply because you are asking, and perhaps because you are "in it" it may be harder to step back. I think you need to look at this from several separate perspectives.

As a craftsman, you are dead on, you build a quality product and you know your geometry, your HT, your ergos, and your lines show it.

As an artist it's important to reconcile the need to satisfy your creative drive while continuing to attract and retain a sometimes fickle clientele. It's sad to say this and I may be wrong but I believe that many buyers are looking for the next hot design more than a tool to fit their needs, or are somewhere on the spectrum between the two. I know I'm there somewhere. We all are otherwise we'd stop at the one knife. I love design and I love your simple lines that seem to speak directly to the hand. I think artistically you've established yourself firmly with your own style. One area I'd like to see you explore more is in the contours of your handles. Palm swell. Not necessarily on all your knives but I'd definitely like to see a chunky, rounded handle on a 4-4.5" bladed knife (more on this below).

As a businessman, have you examined your operating model in comparison with other makers? Are you as streamlined as you could be? I don't know how you or any maker calculates the selling price; Materials & supplies, time, effort, etc., all have a certain value, but if you cut the time or cost involved in a certain aspect of your process, could that translate to a lower price or faster turnaround? From your website:
All my work is freehand, one knife at a time. I do all work in-house and outsource nothing. I do all my own heat treating and tempering.​
I can understand your method here as it will produce the best knife you can make. But slowly. If you could, introduce a sister line that is waterjet cut and the HT is outsourced, you could theoretically put more of your knives out there and then they could be a stepping stone to a wider audience that could then want to graduate to your handmade knives. Generating interest online everywhere, and perhaps taking pre orders with deposits to cover your initial layout. This may go against your knifemaking philosophy and it could be risky if you get in over your head, but how would not making knives at all sit? The key is doing what you love and eating.

I'm no expert nor am I a businessman but I don't want to see the day you stop making knives.

Now, specifically what would I want to see from you? A 1/8" thick, single edged willow leaf blade 1 1/4" wide max, with a guard-less symmetrical elongated ovoid handle that has a nice palm swell. Proportions of the handle and blade would be equal and the cutting edge would be as close to the handle as possible. This is a very primitive and by no means an original design, commonly seen on flint knapped blades.. So are we agreed on your first new mid-tech knife? I'll take number 1. ;)

Scott, I hope all this is taken in the spirit in which I'm writing it.
 
Marcelo, thanks for taking the time to write that, I appreciate it. I've been in business for 12 years and have learned alot the hard way. I built up my business on my own without much help. I have consulted with a small business expert and got some good tips. This was 2 years ago when I moved into my shop. I'm not down and out yet but it could or could not happen. I'm just being realistic about it. Maybe I'm jumping the gun and I haven't given up yet.
There is more to this then I care to post on the forum. Alot has happen that I'm not happy with and really would rather not go into it here.
As for mid tech, the Gosshawk, not much interest, the design contest didn't show any interest other then the submissions. So if I go with a mid tech design which is what pitdogs design was going to be, what would people go for?
As far as pricing, there is alot that comes out of the price of a knife before any goes into my pocket. It is expensive to run a business. Just ask the Feds, they are crooks. :mad:
Scott
 
So if I go with a mid tech design which is what pitdogs design was going to be, what would people go for?

This goes back to what I said about utility vs. aesthetics. IMO People either really like roach bellies or not at all. I am of the latter camp even though I know it would suit most of my needs.

I was too late on that contest. But I saw the end and it's surprising to see the lack of interest considering the wide margin by which Pitdog's design won.

In this instance perhaps making one, as well as a couple others and then asking which one people would like to see as mid-tech would get more orders. I know you'll at least sell the prototypes so you won't be losing anything.

Here is your mid-tech knife BTW :D In case you can't tell, that's Osage Orange on the handles.
Willowleaf.jpg

Or maybe with less neck.
Willowleaf3.jpg

Willowleaf2.jpg
 
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:D I know you like osage. Cool design but would it generate interest? That was the whole reason for the contest. I have a few designs I would like to do mid tech but just haven't put them together yet. One I'm making right now for LT Mike. You'll see it this weekend.
Scott
 
I can't wait. As for Pitdog's design I know that a finished knife will generate more interest than a drawing.
 
Scott,

I am very sorry to read your post concerning the status of your future orders. I for one can tell you that the economy is DEFINITELY to blame. I was gainfully employed, and had a little disposable income, which allowed me to order/buy 4-6 cutom knives a year, in fact, I have managed to collect quite a few of your knives! Suddenly, I lost my job of many years, and was UNEMPLOYED for 9 months, after which, I was forced to take a job making 60% of my previous job's income. I guess you can say that I am now UNDEREMPLOYED, but thankful to have a job nonetheless. In the past year, (I have now been underemployed for 3 months) I have purchased 0 (Zero) custom knives, and in fact, have sold 7 of the ones in my collection (None of them were Gossman's). Not only have I sold off knives to make ends meet, but I have sold guns, cars, coins, etc. etc. As a father of 4, the household expenses are such that I can only make ends meet with my new income by selling off enough stuff every month to cover the deficit of my earnings...

I write this only to show the priority shift that I have personally experienced this past year. Instead of thinking about which NEW knife to get from Which Maker, I concern myself with keeping the kids fed, the power on, and some gas in the car!

I am just one guy, but like me, Im sure there are hundreds, if not thousands...

I just wanted to share this with you, because recently, you helped me out of a jamb, and I wanted to thank you. I bought one of your knives on the secondary market at a huge savings, and the knife had been resharpened to the point of being reground. I sent it back to you, and you restored it to the original spec. You did this for me even though its "warranty" was revoked because "an amateur took a belt grinder to it" , and I know that was the reason why you posted the thread reminding your customers that you had a lifetime guarantee and urged them to return their knives to you for sharpening. THIS is the kind of customer service that originally impressed me, and the customer service that has kept me coming back to your knives. I want to Thank you Scott, for providing this service and the quality and integrity that you bring to us.

Even though at the moment, I am out of the custom knife market, If I am lucky enough to return to my previous situation, I will DEFINITELY be placing orders for Gossman knives.

I hope things get better for all of us soon, and I hope more people learn about the quality and "heart" that goes ino your knives. If more people found this out, you would have a longer waiting list than Randall.

Thank You Scott.

Mike
 
Thank you for that post Mike. I appreciate everything you said and that is what knifemaking is all about for me. I've been told on severall occasions by a couple of customers that they have used many different brand name knives over the years and have gotten rid of all of them since getting and using mine. That really hits home for me and drives me to keep doing what I love to do. I got a phone call from a guy who bought a PSK Sr. a year and a half ago telling me how well the knife has treated him. This is great feedback. The best type of review a maker could ask for. A year and a half of daily use gives you the review/feedback that is "real". Not a few days in the backyard but real everyday use.

There is certain "politics" in this business that really bothers me. Stuff I want nothing to do with.
I have come to the conclusion that the economic climate is causing problems for everyone, unfortunately me included. I just need to weather the storm and hope for the best.
I do plan on more local marketing of the sharpening end of my business. Alot of farmers, hunters and outdoors people locally.
Thanks everyone for your continued support. :thumbup::thumbup:
Scott
 
Damn Scott, id hate to see it end for you......:(

I havent been buying any steel lately. Ive sold off quite a few things... Blades, guns, gear, my truck, etc etc.... Its been a rough couple months for me, not just financialy.....

I believe that it will bounce back. Im pretty optimistic... I know alot of guys it seems in my observations, either havent been buyin blades, or havent been posting pics of them(doubtfull).... It seems everyone is strapped for cash.

I genuinly hope everything works out for you and the orders start coming back in... I have my eye on a few blades Id like from you, but it will be early next year before I can commit to anything.

(PS- I think a WSS survival knife run would be VERY cool! Nothing too "specialty", just a solid 4in bladed workhorse)
 
Thanks Jake. I've been through worst. I'm sure things will get better.
Scott
 
Scott,
I know you mentioned this downturn in business to me in an email a week or so ago. I will say that your knives are the best users I have. They are tough, great designs. Another maker that I have worked with is Charles May. He does a great job too. One thing I notice (and I haven't placed an order with him lately) is that he periodically introduces a new design. I looked at his page about a week ago and so a small skinner that he recently added.

There is no question that you have added a few items - like the Gosshawk and the pitdog design - but maybe there is something to adding new stuff on a regular basis. It may keep folks coming back to see what's new. I don't know.

What I do know is that I greatly appreciate your work and the attention you give customers. That has kept me coming back. And I hope to order a few of your other designs that I don't have yet. For example, I have my eye on the Kepthart and full size Nessmuk.

Who knows... it may never return to what it once was, but I have to believe there are many knives out there for you to make yet.

I consider you a top notch guy and maker. Hang in there and I'll do what I can on my end to buy those other designs I want to get.

In the meantime, get that big one that's chasing all those does.

:)
 
Stay strong Scott! Times will get better we all just have to weather the storm. We need knife makers like you that not only make great knives but interacts with his customers as you do. Thanks for all you do!
 
Just wait till ya see me using my Roach belly design, you will all be wanting one then !!!!;):thumbup:
 
Scott, I hope that this weekend has brought you some more work. I know that Billy and I can't wait till our knives arrive. We love the quality and care that you put into each blade that you make. I really do think that your knives are among the best out there.
 
Scott, I hope that this weekend has brought you some more work. I know that Billy and I can't wait till our knives arrive. We love the quality and care that you put into each blade that you make. I really do think that your knives are among the best out there.

Thanks, I really appreciate that. Enjoyed you and Billy's company this weekend.
Scott
 
Scott,

I'm sorry to hear this news. I really hope things take a turn for the better. Your work is top notch and I think there will always be a market.

Maybe that golok design I sent you is an option in a smaller package to fit your heat treat capabilities.

Kev
 
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