What do you need in a shop?

ron_m80

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Ok, other than a grinder, various hand tools, materials, sources, and a quench tank (any perticular size or style thats better?), what do you need in the shop?

are there two different furnaces? one for tempering and another for forging? If I got that right, what temp should the forge be able to attain, and is temperature control critical in this one (i think not, but don't know).

hope you gents can forgive another really basic question, and i already checked the sticky for noob's too. I didn't feel the answer was there.

Thank you
 
Generally, if you're doing forge work, you'll have a general purpose forge. Some people have a seperate welding forge that may be a bit more robust to resist flux and can obtain somewhat higher temps. You general work forge should be able to obtain temps upwards of 2200F. As for control, the ability to know and control temperature in your forge is a great advantage. Many makers use a well controlled forge to heat treat. This requires the ability to know the actual temp and be able to hold it to within 10 degrees or so. This usually involves a PID controller which controls the fan speed on a blown forge. Atmospheric forges can also be very accurate if set up right, and you can tell the temp using a pyrometer. It's also necessary to be able to adjust the "atmosphere" of a forge to produce a reducing or oxidizing atmosphere.

Most makers who do heat treating with a variety of steels use a seperate heat treating oven for that purpose. These ovens can reach temps of 2200 as well, but will be able to accurately hold that temp for an indefinite period of time in a very narrow range of fluctuation. This allows heat treating of a variety of simple and complex steels inlcuding stainless and high alloy steels. As for tempering, this is done after hardening (hardening consists of reaching critical temperature, holding it for a specified period of time for you steel, and quenching in appropriate medium...fast oil, brine, medium oil, or air/plate quench). Tempering is often done in a household oven that has been fully heat saturated (been on for a while to stabilize temps) or in a well controlled toaster oven with something like a brick placed in it to increase its thermal mass. Tempering happens at a much lower temp than hardening with usual tempering ranges from 350 to 500F.

As for quench tanks, people use a variety of tanks shapes. Some use a 5 gallon surplus ammo can; others use vertical steel tubes with a stand welded on. I've even used a very large stainless pot. It's a good idea to have a lid that fits to not only prevent contamination of the quenching medium, but also to put out any flare ups that may occur.

You'll also find that a drill press is indespensible as well as a good set of files (needle and regular). I personally find a hundred uses for razor blades and buy them in bulk. A good set of dial calipers will serve you well, and a height guage is also very handy as well as a truly flat surface (granite plate).

And if you're forging, you need some type of anvil. Avoid the cheap-o harbor freight cast anvils. Find a good used anvil without too much sway and with a few areas of clean, crisp edges. My anvil is well over 80 years old and still going strong.

For stock removal or forging, you'll find a good belt grinder is extremely useful. 2x72" is the common size for our industry, but they can be a bit pricey.

I'm sure there's more, but this is just off the top of my head.

--nathan
 
My ideal shop would have a good propane forge, HT oven, quench tank (I use is a big 5 gallon metal bucket), anvil, hammers, tongs, 2x72 variable speed grinder, drill press, hand files of all kinds, angle grinder, buffer, a metal cutting bandsaw would be nice too but not needed, a stereo in the shop is a nice asset, and don't forget your respirator and eye protection!

oh yeah, a dremel tool with various accessories comes in handy a lot.

I think that I actually made a thread like this a while back that maybe you can find.
 
Great, I wasn't too far off the mark. I didn't mention the drill press but i can see where its indespencible.

I located an OLD anvil at work, and i think i can get it, but I would probably have to get it planchard ground, its looking a bit tired right now.

I'm thinking about 10-15 grand to start, sound about right?

The forge i am thinking of making.
 
Damn...if I had 10-15 grand to start, I'd have a whole lot more tools than I do now! :eek:

I've collected about that much in tools over 5-6 years. That will definitely set you up with a well outfit shop to start.

--nathan
 
donr forget the trde round temp athenizer. i would also look into getting r2-d2 precision coupler for the billets, it will save you alot of wasted soft ferrious wood. thats about ie except for maybe a 100% particle mask. thanksz-marekz--lol
 
If you are going to spend some serious money, get serious about the safety issues,too. A good dust recovery system ( vacuum), good air exchange ( ventilation), and good lighting are part of the initial equipment.Fire extinguishers (plural) are required start-up needs,too.

As far as tools go, I would get:
Hammers, tongs, steel, etc.
Propane forge with PID control, and at least a 100# tank
22" Paragon or similar HT oven
Five gallons of Parks #50 and five gallons of AAA quench oil
Reasonable quality 120-180# anvil
Large heavy vise, mounted rock solid
Solid heavy work bench...metal topped with 1/4" plate
Files, sanding supplies,and hand tools
2X72 grinder - KMG or Bader, or any of several other tried and true brands
Belts, belts, belts
Drill press and good bits
metal cutting band saw
Wood cutting table saw.
Wood cutting band saw
Basic sheath making supplies and tools.

The next items that are really useful ( once more skill , and money, are gained) are a power hammer or a hydraulic press, and a small milling machine.

Stacy

marekz - never type and drink at the same time.
 
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The most important thing to have in a shop doesn't cost a dime and works with any tools you might happen to have. It is the desire for your next knife to be better than the one you just made. If you can get that, along with some of the things recommended here, you will be way ahead of the game.
 
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